Without going into all the details , my wife's brother sold me a P90DC ( 45 ACP with decocker ) , 250 rounds , a holster , two magazines , and the original box for $250 yesterday ..
I ran the serial number , and it was made in 1997 ..
Last night , after much effort , I managed to push and tug the slide latch enuff to remove the barrel and field strip it ..
Guess what I found all over the barrel , and inside the reciever ??
Yep , cosmoline ..
Am I the only one who knows that new guns are dirty guns ??
No wonder the gun is nine years old and looks like new , and " hasnt been shot much " ..

GroovyJack: we admonish the purchasers of new firearms to clean them before useage. This coincides with the written instructions from most manufacturers. On occassion, a customer will look down the barrel and observe that the "new" firearm has been fired! That, of course, precipitates another lesson for the buyer.

Another "stoopid" occurance is when someone wishes to trade a firearm or have us purchase it. Half the time, the barrel and action needs cleaning! This automatically deducts $25 from their trade in or purchase price. More if it is really filthy.

A while I am on a roll, another observation: there is very little trade in value to accessories that come with a firearm, including scopes* or gun cases. This includes custom grips, laser attachments, flashlight attachments, custom anything, muzzle brakes**, slings, loading dies, components ---- the list is long, but, you get the idea. The buyer is better served by selling accessories to friends, neighbors, relatives or at gun shows.

* Leupold scopes are an exception along with premium European optics. Some consideration for Burris, depending on the series.

** in the majority of cases, muzzle brakes tend to decrease value.

Yeah I know about the accessories , most people think that they should add a huge sum to a trade in .. But unless the scope is a Loopy ( I can give you a long list of their great service ) or a Euro as you state , they're just so much glass .. And as a dealer , you'll not get much , cause people are scared of used glass , for whatever reason ..

Case in point , a buddy went to a gun show with me looking for another rifle , he took his rifle with the glass on it .. Told him before leaving he'd do better selling the glass outright ... The difference between glass and no glass from a couple different dealers was less than $50 .. All offered him around $400 with glass and between 360-375 without glass .. He went back out , took the glass off and went in and traded ..

Back to the point here .. My CZ 550 458 Lott was the filthiest "new" firearm I think I ever purchased ...

Field Stripping a gun down to a bunch of peices and a barreled reciver is half of the fun! I dont understand why people dont like to do that.

Dimitri

Dimitri wrote:

Field Stripping a gun down to a bunch of peices and a barreled reciver is half of the fun! I dont understand why people dont like to do that. Dimitri

You don't own a Ruger semi auto .22 pistol, do you?

I dont own any pistol's actually.

But come on how hard can it be ?? I've been taking things apart and putting them back together since I was big enough to lift and use a screw driver. I dont find too many things that are too complicated for me, and when I do find something complicated I can normally get it done in a few hours, hopefully without having to resort to a "parts diagram" or instruction book

Dimitri

sniper wrote:

Dimitri wrote: Field Stripping a gun down to a bunch of peices and a barreled reciver is half of the fun! I dont understand why people dont like to do that. Dimitri You don't own a Ruger semi auto .22 pistol, do you?

AAAAAHHHHHHH.....Ruger Mk1 pistol. Why did someone have to remind me about those mongrel things !!!!!

Believe me Dimitri, Sniper is right...the Ruger Mk1 and Mk2 are the worst, most frustrating, difficult, fidgety, unco-operative, bas%#@d pistols ever built when it comes to stripping and assembling.
I could strip and assemble 10 M60 machine guns in the time it takes me to get the s@&ts with a Mk1 and toss it !!!

Mine would shoot a treat and my daughters loved it, but I used to dread stripping it for thorough cleaning. In the end I used to clean it with a spray bottle of CRC Brakleen.

Cheers, Vince

Well I just went to e-gunparts.com/product...=1910zMKII and veiwed the drawing of the gun!

65 parts in a pistol. My rifle only has 66!

Dimitri

[quote="VinceAAAAAHHHHHHH.....Ruger Mk1 pistol. Why did someone have to remind me about those mongrel things !!!!!

...the Ruger Mk1 and Mk2 are the worst, most frustrating, difficult, fidgety, unco-operative, bas%#@d pistols ever built when it comes to stripping and assembling.

In the end I used to clean it with a spray bottle of CRC Brakleen.

Cheers, Vince[/quote]



Tel us what you REALLY think, Vince! The Brakeleen idea is a good one. I Use Gun Scrubber and a Patchworm, and that is good enough, thank you very much!

Hi

Dimitri wrote:

Well I just went to e-gunparts.com/product...=1910zMKII and veiwed the drawing of the gun! 65 parts in a pistol. My rifle only has 66! Dimitri

Holy SMOKES!

A Luger P08 only has about FIFTY parts, and it's a Tinker Terror!

No .22 Rugers for ME!

Why are some handguns so complicated ??

If anything I'd think they'd try and cut the parts on it as much as they can.

Dimitri

Dimitri wrote:

Why are some handguns so complicated ?? If anything I'd think they'd try and cut the parts on it as much as they can. Dimitri

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

I guess it is all in the fun spirit of lawyerproofing.

The Mark I Ruger was fairly simple, but with A "trick" to getting it back together. Then came the Mk II pistol, which added a few more parts. Some, like the last shot hold-open, I like.

When it was new, I had my Mk II apart for some polishing, and COULD NOT get it back together. There I was, manual propped on the bench, following the instructions, and NOTHING worked! I finally took it to a gunsmith I knew, and he took pity on me. He did something that looked really neat, and hey presto! It hasn't been apart since then.

NOW, the MK III is even more complicated, and STILL has the "trick" Some guys, like Vince and me just don't get it, and there seem to be a fair number of us out here.

I'd rather take a Smith and Wesson revolver apart. I KNOW I can get it back together right.

All of my rifles have about a dozen parts, and the M1 Carbine I carried in the service didn't have all that many, either.

Sniper, the M1 Carbine counting every little screw and all has 46 parts not too bad

Dimitri

Heck the M1 even had a "thumb tool" included , everybody needs one of those tools ..