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Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Hi All,

Season here just ended... Wife and I were both successful on mature whitetails. As I type, I am enjoying a venison lunch that will rival any meat out there. We cut all of our own animals and have gotten good at it over the years.

That said... My best friend and I spend a lot of time throughout the year hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, ATVing, etc. Over the years I have become a "Pseudo Unkle" to his kid. I am a reloading enthusiast and have worked with ballistics testing for years. As a long time whitetail hunter of "Northern" whitetails I've taken some heavy animals with everything from .22 caliber rounds to .338 caliber. I BELIEVE however that a .270 caliber cartridge should be the minimum to start out a young hunter with. Shot placement is key with smaller caliber rounds. That said, I think the 7mm-08 about the ultimate starter gun for whitetails in our area.

My buddy has a .243 Winchester with a 3-9X Nikon on it that I'm considering working with next summer to come up with a load for his son. He's a small kid for his age and I want to keep recoil to a minimum. After some research, I would however, like to use the Hornady A-Max in 105 grain or a Barnes bullet @ 85+ grains. I'm open to suggestions but keep in mind that this is a young shooter and I want a "Min" load that will still break the bones of the 100-180lb whitetail(dressed) that he might encounter next year. I believe in the shoulder shot as I want them anchored and that's the way he'll be trained... but I want to give him his best possibility at success with the little .243.

I have chronograph and will test in multiple medium after working up a load to be sure they perform... After the NOVEL I wrote I hope some of you have some suggestions as to a good direction for me to take. .243 for his first whitetail?

Thanks and I hope for a good response... I'll check back now and again for your opinions.

REM7600

PS: Shots for the kid will be less than 150 yards
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Welcome to the forums! Howdy

Get a bullet that will expand at really low speeds would be my suggestion sort of like commercial managed recoil ammo. Smile

Also there are a couple of loads here:

www.chuckhawks.com/red...eloads.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Welcome to the Hunting Nut. Very Happy I think the 243 is fine caliber for whitetail. (IMO) The Nosler partition would be hard to beat in 95 or 100gr. They work well over a wide velocity range.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Gidday REM7600. I think that the .243 is a great calibre to start the young fella with, although you don't say how old or how big he is.

The .243 is my calibre of choice for fallow deer here in Australia and it is excellent. I think that if you start at around the 80 grain mark (I use Remington 80 gn PSP) you can load them down a little to reduce felt recoil. Only problem I see with reducing loads, rather than going for a lighter bullet, is problems with "reduced" accuracy. As Joe says, 95 gn - 100 gn are great, but they do recoil slightly more than the 80 gn.

Don't fall into the trap of using really light bullets (55 gn) for practice then go over to the heavier bullets for hunting. I don't believe that the .243 produces a level of recoil that your average teenager couldn't handle with ease.

Good luck mate.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Rem 7600:
Something you and your friend might consider is a good recoil pad on the .243. Shocked Now, before anyone gets all upset about putting a pad a "mild" recoiling rifle like that, just remember: in ALL circumstances, we shoot best with what kicks us least. Very Happy And the .243 is a caliber that will provide good hunting experiences for deer-sized animals all of the young man's life, even if he doesn't wish to "upgrade."

The .243's recoil is not grim with any load, but a while ago at the range, I forgot to disengage the safety on my .22 rimfire, and when I pulled the trigger...FLINCH big time. Where'd that come from? Shocked I had no idea I was doing that.

I have been shooting rimfires since I was 12, and KNOW they don't recoil! The same thing happens with my 257 Roberts, which is no beast in the recoil department, either.

What to do? I shoot pretty well, even flinching as badly as I do, so I put a Decelerator pad on the rifle, wear a recoil pad for long bench sessions, and concentrate on sight picture, trigger squeeze, and follow through. That and shooting 100 gr. bullets is a lot more pleasant. Cool

In developing loads, remember the bullet is only a part of the recoil equation. The "ejecta", a combination of bullet weight and powder charge weight, is the main culprit. Reduce the bullet weight from the heaviest available (Speer 105 gr., if I am not mistaken), to an 80-90 gr. hunting bullet, and use the beginning load found in any good manual, and you will probably lower the recoil somewhat. Enough to matter? Who knows. Good luck in your search, and success to the young man. Smile

Above all, the experiences with the rifle should be FUN!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

train the little guy on a22 rimfire for a while,with a scope on it, if you intend to scope the 243. if the 22 weighs about the same, and looks simular to the243,the little guy won't feel the recoil ,anyway, if he's pulling the trigger on a whitetail. did my son that way,he never even saw the 243until hunting day,and still thought he shot the deer with my scoped 22 cal. PS. this will also get him used to the scope,and ,will keep him from wearing home a black eye ,with his buck.. tell him ole' kentucky said goodluck on his hunt Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

95 gr Nosler Ballistic tip or Hornady 100 gr at 2600 fps will do just fine. My buddy just started his kid with this load and the kid shot a big mulie doe with this load and 1 shot. DRT-dead right there.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

My wife uses a .243 with great success. We use 100grn Nosler Partitions and they work excellent. She even killed a 350BC caribou with it. Very fun guns.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Thanks all... I think I'll work up an accurate, low recoil load with Partitions or X-Bullets and put a Limbsaver recoil pad on it. PointBlank says I should be able to get the recoil down to about 7lbs... Next summer we'll get the deer targets out and have him practice, practice, practice.

Thanks Again.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

Nosler makes an 85 grain Partition in .243 diameter, which would provide low recoil and excellent penetration.
And I agree with the recoil pad recommendation.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Whitetail, Pseudo-Nephew, and .243 Winchester Question Reply with quote

rem7600 wrote:
Thanks all... I think I'll work up an accurate, low recoil load with Partitions or X-Bullets and put a Limbsaver recoil pad on it. .. Next summer we'll get the deer targets out and have him practice, practice, practice.REM7600

Those are good plans! Smile
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