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Keyhole target hits
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

Welcome aboard,Diesel! Pull up a stump , have a beer, and chat awhile!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

Welcome, Diesel!

I remember seeing keyholes while in the pits, too. One of the weaknesses of the Garand design was that there was no way to clean it from the breech end with a rod. Consequently, the muzzle end started reminding you of certain ladies around Subic Bay, and those jointed cleaning rods made from steel didn't help. As the wise man said, "Mr. Cleaning Rod is not your friend."

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

thanks for the nice welcom, guys. been hunten, shooten, and reloaden for 'bout 60 years now, my uncle started me at it when I was 'bout 15, I use an rcbs jr which is around 50 years old. still works like new. might be new to this site, but certainly not in reloading. sorry, shoulde'nt have hijacked this post. diesel
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

Diesel,

If this was the first time someone hijacked a thread I'd have to agree, but Dallan from the time I've first came on has patience with us using this forum more of a "camp fire" discussion forum about hunting, shooting and the outdoors, and being welcomed when your a new member is a must! People must feel at home at this "camp fire". Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

2 things cause keyholed hits-- loose bullets or shooting bullets with too slow of a twist to stabilize them. the longer the bullet the faster the twist required to stabilize them thats why you can fire 36gr in 223 remington in a 1-14 twist just fine but cant fire say a 77gr hpbt in the same gun the longer bullet will not stabilize the 77gr required a minimum of 1-9 twist.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

WE WISH ALL OF YOU A HAPPY AND THANKFUL THANKSGIVING!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

diesel wrote:
....been hunten, shooten, and reloaden for 'bout 60 years now, my uncle started me at it when I was 'bout 15....

Yeah, welcome aboard.

Here's hoping that being from PA you'll learn us something about groundhog harvesting.

Diesel, you must have a yarn or three 'bout the days when there were plenty of long shots...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

I have been tring to develop a load for my 243 win. The 105gr Berger vld bullets keyhole for me like crazy. Too slow a twist in my Nef barrel I geuss.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

muckapoose wrote:
I have been tring to develop a load for my 243 win. The 105gr Berger vld bullets keyhole for me like crazy. Too slow a twist in my Nef barrel I geuss.

Absolutely.

The VLD's are long for their weight & it is bullet length that has the most bearing on how fast a rifling twist is needed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

I passing: My BRNO BZK 110 .22Hornet 16"twist /.224 keyholes with 55gr bullets. 50gr groups 2" at 100yeard, but with Sako 45gr SP groups are 3/4". I am still looking better accurate loads, of course.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

K.W. wrote:
I am still looking better accurate loads, of course.

That is the joy of handloading and shooting Kauko...ain't it fun mate. I love it.

Cheers, Vince

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

It is so Vince.
My trackdrivers are so boring; small groups debends only my accomplishmenting.
Kauko. Takeing no bier. Only one vodka with lemon juice.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

Hey K.W.
I've been thinking about you as of late.
Do you and Mrs. K.W. have room for me if O'bama gets elected???
I do dishes, and am a pretty good cook.
I'll even share my guns with you.

If your answer is yes, don't be surprised to see Bushy following me over your way.

Eric Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

Oh boy, ElyBoy!
You and Bushy are welcome, but mayby without your guns. There is the new gunlaw here in Finland.
I think, you are like first gunowners in my country. You need mental health evidence. Doctors will not give papers like that. Because it takes very long time, and they have only 20 min for it. It means now days ,new gunowners can´t to have guns.
If you can to find frendly doctor writing that yuo are ok, yuo must to shoot one year in the some shooting club. After that you maybe can to have .22LR pistol for one year too.
You are welcome for cook, because I hate it so much. Sad Very Happy Sad from left to right: Eric, Kauko and Bushy.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyhole target hits Reply with quote

HEY!!! I ain't goin' nowhere. I'll shoot my out of this if I have to...

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