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BigBlue Super Member
Joined: Jan 16, 2006 Posts: 1108 Location: Lehigh Township, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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I have to agree that if the antis hear a gun owner say that 5 rounds is safer in a pistol, next thing you know they'll want you as a poster boy for their push to limit magazines to 5 rounds. If you feel safer then I'm fine with that, but I just hate to fuel their gun grabbing ways.
A sorry state of affairs, but I can't help thinking that if BATFE saw you with a pistol that even accidentally went full auto, you would be facing charges.
Don
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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chambered221 wrote: |
slimjim wrote: |
Safety is not an issue. |
:wtf: Become a match director or safety officer for a year then let me know if you still feel that way !!! |
Guess I didn't type enough words. chambered, you are correct. Safety is ALWAYS a concern. However, safety is no bigger or smaller an issue with 5, 10, or 30 rounds in the magazine nor would limiting the rounds to 5 make the range safety officer feel any safer. In fact, I think they would be more concern with having to deal with more magazine changes and charging with the increase opportunity for loss of muzzle control with 5 rounds in a mag.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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At the police range (where I am an associate member) they only let you load single rounds on the rifle range. The range officer let me load three rounds in my new SKS to try it out and it fired one and ejected the spent case and the next round - before it had fired. We never did figure out how it was done but there it was on the ground with the bullet still in the case and a primer with not a mark on it.
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44marty Super Member
Joined: Mar 20, 2009 Posts: 775 Location: Cheshire, MA; USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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BigBlue wrote: |
I have to agree that if the antis hear a gun owner say that 5 rounds is safer in a pistol, next thing you know they'll want you as a poster boy for their push to limit magazines to 5 rounds. If you feel safer then I'm fine with that, but I just hate to fuel their gun grabbing ways.
A sorry state of affairs, but I can't help thinking that if BATFE saw you with a pistol that even accidentally went full auto, you would be facing charges.
Don |
This has happened when guns have gone full auto. Permits and licenses have been lost, fines have been charged.
Also, if you think your guns are safe here because we have the NRA then you aren't at all familiar with the regulations in CA, NJ, MA and Chicago. The anti's are always ready to pounce on any "safety" issue, no matter how misguided or untrue.
Finally, I must agree that:
"In fact, I think they would be more concern with having to deal with more magazine changes and charging with the increase opportunity for loss of muzzle control with 5 rounds in a mag."
I have seen disagreements between bullseye shooters and action-pistol shooters before, but not stated as a safety issue.
In fact, this is the first thread I have yet seen on this website that borders on an argument. On other sites I have seen the inane assertion that only 5 rounds should be loaded in a revolver, with the hammer over an empty chamber. This isn't true for modern revolvers, only antiques.
Sorry, Eric, but I couldn't disagree with you more.
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Dawgdad Super Member
Joined: Feb 08, 2006 Posts: 1065 Location: On the Prairie
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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How many rounds you have in a pistol or rifle has no bearing one the safety of the weapon. The antique POS that went full auto on me was unsafe with one bullet in it! It is all better now though.
When I shoot bullseye I load five because that is what the rules say, when I shoot PPC I load six, When I shoot IDPA our IPSC - as many as the mag will hold 'cause that what the rules say.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5001 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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Like Dawgdad, when shooting a match I load what I'm allowed to load. If I'm testing a handgun load for accuracy I load 5 (for centerfire rifles I load 3 and rimfires 5). If I'm chronographing a load I shoot 10, which could be one or more magazines. If I'm testing the equipment or plinking I load a full magazine.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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muzzle control takes care of safety mo matter what you use. if its pointed where it should be ALL the time nobody CAN get hurt.
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Vince Site Admin
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Suzanne Super Member
Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 3323 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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I just looked Vince and the only thing I could find is HERE and it doesn't look legit
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chambered221 Super Member
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 3455 Location: Lost for good !!!
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:40 am Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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Vince hi-jacking a thread.....it ain't so !!!
Dawg........IDPA is 10 max.
When it comes to the anti's there is no practicality in their agenda let alone any care about safety...........argue mag capacity all you want but I do believe we already won that one when the assault weapons ban sunset clause was enacted !!!
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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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Since i have a single stack .45 10 is all I have..
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Vince Site Admin
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ElyBoy Super Member
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chambered221 Super Member
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 3455 Location: Lost for good !!!
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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Dawgdad wrote: |
Since i have a single stack .45 10 is all I have.. |
I assumed ESP or SSP..........my bad !!!
.45 single stack is CDP .....that's 8 rounds max.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: 5 round load ignorance |
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ElyBoy wrote: |
That is why I kept TRYING!!!!! ....
Eric :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: |
Eric, so you are trying to convince us we would all be safer if we limited ourselves to 5-rounds in our magazine. I think you are confusing the feeling of comfort/familiarity you get from your routine at the range with safety. Better add a few more banghead smilies to your signature. Oops, guess you will have to limit it to 5.
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