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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:37 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Mate, a red face and facing his disapproving looks is better than you wrecking your gun or worse still yourself....
he is a professional and he can say no......
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Dawgdad Super Member
Joined: Feb 08, 2006 Posts: 1065 Location: On the Prairie
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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I should have separated the upper and drove the bolt into battery from the rear, |
If the bolt was not in battery and stuck there you would not have gotten the upper apart as the BCG would be between the upper and the lower.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Dawgdad wrote: |
If the bolt was not in battery and stuck there you would not have gotten the upper apart as the BCG would be between the upper and the lower. |
Dawgdad, that is the situation if one removes just the aft pin and expects the upper to pivot up (typical breakdown for BCG removal). If one removes both pins, the upper can slide forward a short distance and clear the BGC and lower. If the BCG is stuck half open, there is likely not sufficent room to do this. In this situation, I've had to remove the butt stock and buffer tube to clear the obstruction. I had to do this for a friend when the firing pin/cotter key were incorrectly installed and the firing pin fell out of the BCG with the rifle assembled.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Elvis wrote: |
Mate, a red face and facing his disapproving looks is better than you wrecking your gun or worse still yourself....
he is a professional and he can say no...... |
Elvis, you may be right. However, I did have my son check with his Army armorer that handles gunsmithing for his platoon. He said he had no tools to handle this situation nor had he seen it before.
I may very well be red faced when I report back in a week or two after my next trip to the range.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Can you thread the rod and use a nut to pull the rod out?
If that primer goes off with the rod in front of the bullet the best that can happen is a split barrel.....
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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3571 Location: Utah
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Maybe pour a ton of something that dissolves lead down it first? (Carburator cleaner?)
That sounds mighty stuck... something bad is going to happen, bulge it or split it. Make sure you video tape it... anyway it turns out will make for a good youtube video
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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3571 Location: Utah
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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PaulS wrote: |
Can you thread the rod and use a nut to pull the rod out? |
That's a good idea. Use a die and thread it as far as you can, stack washers under the nut and torque it out.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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PaulS wrote: |
Can you thread the rod and use a nut to pull the rod out?
If that primer goes off with the rod in front of the bullet the best that can happen is a split barrel..... |
Paul, I didn't have a nut that fit the threads (no excuse for not going out and finding one). With the rod clamped in my 4" vice, the bullet was holding onto the rod with more force than I could clamp it with. However, I think the rod will help the siutation now. If the breech was closed, then I agree that the barrel would split. But with the breech open, I would think the extra weight of the rod would reduce how far the bullet went down the barrel and ensure the the case gets expelled from the breech. Plus I'm going to need the rod to knock the bullet back out the breech.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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DallanC wrote: |
[That's a good idea. Use a die and thread it as far as you can, stack washers under the nut and torque it out. |
Yes, being able to torque the rod out, this surely would work. Then I might be able to reassemble and just shoot the round out and just have a stuck case, instead of a live round to deal with. But that powder charge has to be rather compressed, really compressed with all the banging that has been done to it trying to get the round dislodged from the chamber. I think I'd rather have not have the round locked in the breech when it goes off with me next to it. I'd rather have it go off with an open breech over a hundred feet away from me.
Thanks. Keep the thoughts coming. It helpful to think it through. If I can't get the round to go off, I think I'll just throw the barrel in a lake and let it sink to the bottom.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Get a bigger hammer?
If you insist in firing that stuck round I would suggest a long string and a big oak to hide behind.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5001 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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I gotta say, I'm not fond of the idea of trying to fire the cartridge to clear it. Hydraulic press maybe? With a shroud around the breech to catch anything that might blow off if it detonates ...
I'd read long ago, when I was looking at my first AR, about the "forward assist" idea. The author of that book said something to the effect of "If a round won't chamber do you really want to try to force it?"
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Slim you may try a 50/50 mix of household white vinegar & 3% to 5% hydrogen peroxide and pour it into the barrel. Depends on the hardness of the lead, it will dissolve into a black soft goo.
I've used this method 2 times with muzzleloaders and worked both times for softening the bullet (30 to 60 minutes)so you can use the rod with screw extractor to yank the bullet out when you forget to add the powder.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: KABOOM |
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Bushmaster wrote: |
Get a bigger hammer? If you insist in firing that stuck round I would suggest a long string and a big oak to hide behind. |
Pumpkinslinger wrote: |
With a shroud around the breech to catch anything that might blow off if it detonates ... |
Ok, looks like two votes that its going to detonate instead of a progressive powder burn when (if) the primer ignites.
Maybe I should to this at 200 yards and hit it with a light 223 round
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