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PaulS
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 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:56 pm Post subject: I want... |
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Looking to get a semi-auto 223, detachable magazines that hold at least 20 rounds, that is MOA accurate or nearly so, without direct impingement operating system for less than $1500 dollars. The further below %1500 the better. It is for three gun and everyone I talk to wants to sell me an AR15. The piston operating systems raise the price way too far so I am looking for something else. I have looked at the Ruger Mini 14 and it seems like they have solved their accuracy problems but are there any other choices below $1500?
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Suzanne
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:53 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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I think Saiga rifles can carry 20 rnds but not sure Here's a link If you're not familiar with them they are kinda strange looking rifles from Russia. Might be hard to find, I just looked at Gun Broker and they've got 36 entries for Russian American Armory but most are AK-47 type rifles, anyway the 223's go for around $7-8 hundred.
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Bushmaster
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:06 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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You might have a look at DPMSinc.com while you're at it.
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Dawgdad
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Direct impingement AR-15 fits your bill to a T. better accuracy less moving parts. Under $1500. Don't see many MOA Mini 14's even when tricked out to exceed your $1500 limit.
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PaulS
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:08 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Dawgdad,
I don't want a direct impingement rifle. They are a mess to clean and eat oil like an old Chevy. I can and will load for the rifle to gain all the accuracy it has to offer as long as it is NOT a direct impingement action.
Suz,
Are all the Saiga rifles built on the AK action?
Bushy,
DPMSinc. shows a lot of AR15s and I will look again but at a glance they were all direct impingement actions that I saw.
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RePete
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:46 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Have a look at Double Star.
star15.com/
I built at 16" Carbine and a 20" rifle using their lower.
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Dawgdad
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Depends on what you feed it. I use IMR 8208 XBR and it runs clean for hundreds of rounds in match conditions. Use a ball powder like 748 or even another stick like RE-15 and it is a bit dirtier but really have never seen any difference in cleaning in the AR vs. the SKS I have. Of course, that eats cheap milsurp filthy ammo anyway...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:30 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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| PaulS wrote: |
| They are a mess to clean and eat oil like an old Chevy. |
Guys I know are using Slip 2000 carbon killer and lubes.
Im really confussed about the eat oil thing 
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Suzanne
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Paulie I believe they are a Kalishnikov design based on the AK action. Never shot one or even seen one except on the internet. Wouldn't mind having a Saiga .308, but don't know about accuracy, I'm supposing they're reliable and well built.
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Bushmaster
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Paul...I have the DPMS Oracle .308. I've ran several hundred rounds through it and have only cleaned the bore. Most I've done with the bolt is wipe it down and apply a fresh coat of artilary "red" grease. I've only done this once. I didn't find it all that dirty.
My powder of choice is H380.
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PaulS
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Well, you all have given me a lot to think about and I am going to have to make my decision in the next 6 months so I will continue to deliberate. I'll try to get pictures up when I make a purchase and I will include pictures of my CZ too.
Thanks a bunch! all of you.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: I want... |
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Just saw this one on TV (Shooting USA)
Sig556xi
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Caliber 5.56mm NATO
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Rifling 1 in 7in
Number of Grooves 6
Barrel Length 16.0 in / 406.4 mm
Weight w/out Mag 7.1 lb / 3.22 kg
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: I want... |
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More on the Sig:
The evolution of the SIG556® platform, the new SIG556xi gives you unparalleled modularity in barrel length, caliber, magazine type, and stock configuration. A folding stock combined with ambidextrous magazine release, bolt release, safety selector and charging handle. Accepts any MIL-SPEC AR-15/M4/M16 or most AK-style magazines depending upon lower. Available with a polymer or aluminum handguard.
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Elvis
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:53 am Post subject: Re: I want... |
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ruger mini 14 all the way...........
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