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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

I don't need no stinking test results, what ever I shoot my 45-70 at, gets detroyed Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

Well said there George!! And I couldn't agree more. I have picked up my 45-70 over several other calibers this hunting season and have had a ball shooting it. Test Results?? I'll tell you my test results. A bang-flop on a whitetail buck and a doe that went about 30 feet before taking a dirt nap. I reload two different bullets. A Speer 400 grain flat nose and a Barnes 300 grain X Bullet.
This is one fun caliber to shoot!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

That is why I made up my Siamese Mausers in 45-70. I have one scoped (2x6 Nikon) and one with express sights. I love the express gun, it has a shorter barrel handles great and shoots like a dream. With iron sights, it shoots as well or better than my 458 Lott with a scope.

The 45-70 with modern powder, jacketed bullets and in a bolt gun or falling block configuration, gives little up to the 458 Win. Load it down and you get a push for recoil at one end and a wobbly dance at the other end... The 525 grain RCBS bullet, hard cast, in the express rifle is pretty spectacular. But my regular bullet for both guns is the 300 gr HP Remington bulk bullet. Our 100 pound deer here bouts just say night, night. Black Bear and wild boar rarely wiggle, boom, splat, thump.

I have a 444 Marlin and it is now a safe queen.

Oh, I was at the shot show in Orlando when Marlin introed the guide gun. It was love at first sight. That little package might be the finest heavy woods gun ever put into production.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

Like you guys I also love shooting my 45-70 every chance I get. The two loads I use in mine are a 350gr RN or FN Hornady bullet at just over 2000 fps and the Remington 405 gr (bulk pkg) bullet at 1850 fps. Any deer I've shot with it have dropped instantly like they were hit with a sledge hammer. If everything goes well I'll be able to get back up north into the bush country for some Elk hunting this year and hopefully get a chance at one. Since getting my 45-70 I haven't had a chance to either go Elk hunting and when I did I didn't see any bulls (bulls only season). Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

Have any of you tried the LeveRevolution rounds yet? I have and it looks good for the future. I haven't done anything scientific with them yet, but, what I have shot seems better than my best reloads.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

Haven't tried them yet George. But from what I've heard they are really supposed to do what they say they will do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

I haven't tried them either............ don't know if I need to. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

I'd rather have a .450 Marlin. A little more splat when it hit's 'em.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

BigBlue wrote:
I guess I'll go the wet newsprint route. Although six foot of wet newsprint is going to be fun to handle. I was thing of building a plywood box to retain it all.
Don

BigBlue,
I have a dimensioned drawing of a "Fackler Box" if you want to use it. It uses gallon size plastic zip-lock freezer bags and is way easier to repeat the test exactly. 48 bags fill the 8 foot frame and there is even a correlation between water and ballistic gelatin. It gives good data on penetration and expansion in comparison to living soft tissue.
The offer is open to any who want it.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

PaulS, I would like to see it. Drop me an instant message with your email address and I'll reply.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

HHMM time to stir the pot here ..

First off I have a couple 45/70's a Win Mag and a Lott .. Each has it's purpose ..

My results in the field tell me that Randy Garrett's tests are false .. I'm talking live animals ..

Besides I dont have any bullets I'm trying to sell you like he does ..

I can show you one tets in particular where a Win mag and another 458 , I think a Lott , been a while , wnet against each other , the Win Mag with 200-300 fps less impact velocity , penetrated half the distance of the other load ..

It's true some claim above 2300-2400 fps in a DG rifle , there may be less penetration ..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

d_hoffman wrote:
I'd rather have a .450 Marlin. A little more splat when it hit's 'em.
How do you figger that? They are both .458 caliber and the 45-70 can be loaded as hot if not just a hair hotter (in a Marlin model 1895) then the 450 because the case on a 45-70 has a tad more volume. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

I'd like to see the fackler box as well Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

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I'd rather have a .450 Marlin. A little more splat when it hit's 'em.
How do you figger that? They are both .458 caliber and the 45-70 can be loaded as hot if not just a hair hotter (in a Marlin model 1895) then the 450 because the case on a 45-70 has a tad more volume. Smile

d_hoffman, I'd like to hear your reasoning for your satement. "A little more splat when it hit's 'em",

The only reason Marlin came out with the 450 was so that it could be loaded to the potential that reloaders are loading the 45-70 Marlin with no way of chambering it in the old Springfields. The 450 case is belted. Again..... when reloading a 45-70 Marlin you can load it equal to a 450 or better and the actions are identical. They both shoot the same bullet at the same speed. Like I said the 45-70 actually has a very slight advantage because of a shade more case capacity. They are ballistically identical. Neutral

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: For 45/70 Fans Reply with quote

If the 45/70 has faults I have not found them!

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