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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15704 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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DallanC wrote: |
A problem with severely reduced loads is they can suddenly become more dangerous than +MAX loads. I've yet to hear a satisfying reason why that is, but the leading theory is you reach a point where the powder lays too low in the case and the primer ignition pushes the bullet up until it lodges on the lands and THEN the powder ignites and the lodged bullet then acts as a barrel obstruction.
Its best to stick with mfg's suggest min loads and if thats still too much go with a lighter bullets as recommended above.
-DallanC |
Dallan, I remember an article in an American Handgunner magazine about 20yrs or so ago that was headlined "The 2.8 grain Bullseye Surprise".
The gist of the article was that the powder in a light load would lay along the bottom of the cartridge case and when ignited by the primer flash would do one of a couple of things. The primer flash would shoot over the top of the powder and MAY ignite it in a line and it could act like a cutting charge and do nasty things to the chamber, or, it MAY ignite all of the powder in one go thereby creating an explosion rather than a controlled burn, again doing nasty things to the chamber and firearm, or, it may ignite and burn exactly as intended and have no problems.
Myself, I used to use 2.8 grains of Bullseye in a 357 Mag case with a 124 gn 9mm Conical bullet for a long time with great success. Never had a problem.
Having said that I agree wholeheartedly with your comment of:
Its best to stick with mfg's suggest min loads and if thats still too much go with a lighter bullets as recommended above.
You won't have any problems then.
Cheers, Vince
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Crackshot Super Member
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1693 Location: Mich
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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Its very unsafe to go less than minimum! If that still kicks to much for you, go back to a rimfire 22!
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sniper Super Member
Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Utah
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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Yeah, What Dallan said!
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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If you figure that powder companies are afraid that you might go over their listed weight for liability reasons it stands to reason that they may be just afraid that you might go under their listed weight. Concidering that they have all the test equipment and having heard all of the horror stories of going over or under listed charge weights that the powder companies may be on to something. Personally my eyes, hands, face and fingers just aren't worth taking the chance. Besides my guns are too expensive to replace and I would like to hand them down to my children in working order. I'm with you Mr. Dallan.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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Yes, but you can't shoot a 500 grain bullet through a 308. If I want to shoot a real heavy bullet the only way to do that is with a large caliber and they don't make small case large caliber rounds. The cure? Get a big gun and slow it down. There are lots of people who think you can speed up a small caliber beyond its limits instead of buying a magnum or larger caliber so why not a big caliber slowed down so it can be fired by a recoil sensitve individual (I was going to say "wimp") like me?
The above post is only partly tongue in cheek - the rest is almost semi-serious. No smiley's but trust me - I am much too conservative to go very far from the way things are made to work. I only have shotguns that have more recoil than my 358 Winchester - and I don't shoot heavy bullets in it! (180 grain is as heavy as I want to tollerate as far as recoil goes.)
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osogrande Rookie Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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bubbahunts06 wrote: |
This past weekend I went out and shot my new 300WBYMAG, with Remington 180 grn corelokt at 200 yrds and was holding 1 inch sized groups with 3 shots . But after those three shots I would have to put THUNDER away , cause I would start to flinch. Iam starting to reload, So what my ? is. Is it the powder charge that can lessn the recoil or is it the grn of the bullet? Or a combination of both? What do you guys suggest or or should I just use the lowest charge in my reloading manual??? Ohhh Yeah , I found a couple of sheds this past weekend here in WY nothing to big just a littil forkie and a average 4 point !!!!!!!! but they were still sheds |
FOR ABOUT 10 BUCKS YOU CAN BUY A NICE SHOULDER PAD THAT WILL REDUCE THE RECOIL FEEL A LOT. :-D
JUST STICK TO THE RELOAD MANUALS AT FIRST. MAKE SURE YOU CLEAN YOU BRASS EACH TIME AND GET A DIGITAL SCALE!
FAST IS NOT ALWAYS THE MOST ACCURATE!
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osogrande Rookie Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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YA KNOW VINCE BACK IN THE DAY (70'S)WE CURED THE PROBLEM OF TOP FLASH FOR CARTRIDGES THAT THE POWDER LOADED WOULD LAY DOWN AND NOT BURN PROPERLY. IT'S CALLED PILLOW STUFFING, WE WOULD PUT JUST ENOUGN STUFFING ON TOP OF THE POWDER TO HOLD IT BACK AGAINST THE PRIMER. BANG, PROBLEM SOLVED.
P.S. STUFFING JST BURNT UP ON THE WAY OUT.
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res45 Member
Joined: Jul 09, 2007 Posts: 76 Location: China Grove North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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In the Lyman #48 reloader manual there are several cast bullet loads for the 300WM using the Lyman gas checked #311291 cast bullet sized to .309 which is commercially available precast for you and RX7 powder along with a standard primer no a magnum, you can start as low as 1650 fps and go up to as high as 2200fps Muzzle velocity and use about 1/2 the powder charge.
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fireball 3 Super Member
Joined: Jan 28, 2007 Posts: 393 Location: northern calif
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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osogrande wrote: |
YA KNOW VINCE BACK IN THE DAY (70'S)WE CURED THE PROBLEM OF TOP FLASH FOR CARTRIDGES THAT THE POWDER LOADED WOULD LAY DOWN AND NOT BURN PROPERLY. IT'S CALLED PILLOW STUFFING, WE WOULD PUT JUST ENOUGN STUFFING ON TOP OF THE POWDER TO HOLD IT BACK AGAINST THE PRIMER. BANG, PROBLEM SOLVED.
P.S. STUFFING JST BURNT UP ON THE WAY OUT. |
I use some stuff called puflon. I't looks an feels like graphite. you stuff it on top of the powder charge, lightly compressed. I use it for my wifes 30-30 w/150 gr flatnose sierra bullets. No flash over either. However I agree with DallanC also. Just my .035 worth. Dave
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jeh7mmmag Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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For reduced load data on IMR, Hodgon, AA go to Hodgon site.
I heard there was a post over on 24 hours campfire about the Lead Sled causing some high dollar scopes to fail because of the shock it put on gun during recoil!!!!!!
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data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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Went to the 24 hour campsite fourm and didn't find any scope trouble that you speek of. However I would like to read about it if you could dirrect me to the proper page. Did find alot of concern using this rest in regaurds to stock issues. Both stock and scope issues were a concern of mine before the purchase I made. What you must keep in mind about this style of rest is not to try and eliminate all of the recoil. Doing so will without a dout create trouble. After doing some research and talking to people who own one I do not feel that these issues are of concern as long as you don't over weight the sled or attempt to strap things down solid.
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jeh7mmmag Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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chambered221,
I never saw the article and was just told about during a discussion on lead sled. I will see if I can find it. But it is proably like a lot of chat and discussions on the net.
James
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Deleted_User_2665 Super Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading |
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bubbahunts06 wrote: |
This past weekend I went out and shot my new 300WBYMAG, with Remington 180 grn corelokt at 200 yrds and was holding 1 inch sized groups with 3 shots . But after those three shots I would have to put THUNDER away , cause I would start to flinch. Iam starting to reload, So what my ? is. Is it the powder charge that can lessn the recoil or is it the grn of the bullet? Or a combination of both? What do you guys suggest or or should I just use the lowest charge in my reloading manual??? Ohhh Yeah , I found a couple of sheds this past weekend here in WY nothing to big just a littil forkie and a average 4 point !!!!!!!! but they were still sheds |
This stuff does amazing things for reduced recoil loads....
Tried it in my 300 RUM for gits and shiggles and felt recoil with 180 grain bullets was in the neigborhood of .243 winish......
It's designed to give a fuller load density in larger cases yet yeild a lesser felt recoil.
LINK: Accurate 5744
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