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popgun Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Mitchell, GA, U.S.A. (2007 pop. 191)
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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I'm using Montana Extreme 50 BMG, (It has a new name now ??) It beats anything I have ever used and that about everything mentioned here and more including Butches Bore Shine.
It beats the socks off Sweets and not dangerous to the bore like Sweets. Works fast and gets all the burned powder and copper out. You do have to use it outside, perfect for Demetri at the range, because the fumes are eye openers and makes Sweets smell like ladies perfume.
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5944
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Just looked it up still has the same name:
www.montanaxtreme.com/...olvent.php
Looks interesting.
Dimitri
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Deleted_User_2665 Super Member
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 380
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Wilst all of you are hackin' and yackin' on the best bore cleaners I've just run down my ammo supply again, through barrels I've forgotten to clean again....but they've had the Ultra Bore Coat treatment so cleaning ain't much more than a shot brake cleaner and a couple of patches sans any brushes.
For those who hate fouling as much as they hate cleaning but refuse to give up all that shootin'....Ultra Bore Coat it.
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Handloader Super Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2005 Posts: 1032 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Montana Extreme, Sweets and CR10 from Barnes are top sellers for copper fouling removal in our store. Each brand has their following and they all seem to be effective. OTOH, powder fouling is far easier to remove and most any brand will do an excellent job.
IMO, if some enterprising individual could find a way to market a men's cologne that smelled like Hoppes #9, they would be instant millionaires. Hell, even Bushy might buy a bottle. Or, how about a Hoppes #9 diesel additive?
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5944
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Handloader,
No you got that backwards. Hoppes #9 Purfume for the women to attack us men.
Dimitri
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Deleted_User_2665 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Hoppe's #9 does work pretty good.....as a label remover.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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You must be one hell of an agitated man...Unless we use or do what you do we're stupid. Right? And I already know that you wouldn't like that I drive a 4 X 4 Chevrolet...
Life must be real tough for you...Got any neighbors left near you?
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Deleted_User_2665 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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I routinely get a kick out of droppin' ice cubes in someone's purple kool-aid......
You bein' one of 'em.
Most serious shooters know Hoppes #9 won't cut copper. Heck it even says on the bottle it's only a plastic and powder fouling remover. It'd be great in Grand Dad's old model 12 quail gun.
Why drive a rifle barrel that fouls bad enough to NEED the best fouling remover anyway. Good barrels are easy....
Some people crack me up.......
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Handloader Super Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2005 Posts: 1032 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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wildswalker wrote: |
Hoppe's #9 does work pretty good.....as a label remover. |
There is #9 and #9 Benchrest, two different formulations with two slightly overlapping purposes. Benchrest #9 does indeed cut copper and it just might get those purple kool aid stains out, too.
If the desired end result is the removal of fouling copper and powder residue, often two specialized products will speed the process. All barrels eventually accumulate enough copper fouling to require removal for restored accuracy, however, barrels foul at different rates. I've had some rifles with barrels fouled enough to affect accuracy after less than 20 rounds and others that go over 100 rounds before accuracy deterioration is noted. Bore scopes give us a clue as to why; quick fouling barrels are often rougher, showing tears in the lands from the rifling process and not being, in general, as smooth.
Such barrels can be hand lapped to smooth them or they can be hot lapped with any number of kits that enable the lapping to be done while shooting some rounds. Usually the results are barrels that willl stay accurate longer before requiring maintenance.
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5944
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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I dont think I've ever went to a store that had any sort of gun cleaning supplies that didnt have Hoppes #9.
Dimitri
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15704 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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shrpshtrjoe wrote: |
Sweets 7.62 (imo) is the best copper remover I have used. It's hard on Bronze brushes and the barrel needs to be oiled after using but it sure gets the job done .
joe |
I'm with you totally Joe. Nothing better than Sweets for removing copper fouling. The snipers in the aussie Army use it, as does our shooting team and that in its own right is as good a recommendation as I would ever want.
Like Bushy's favourite, Sweets isn't something that you take a BIG whiff of....its full of ammonia.
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Don't stick yer nose in the bottle to smell this stuff as it will burn the nose hairs right out... |
Mate...I could use some of that stuff....sure would beat tryin' to trim the old nasal fur.
Cheers, Vince
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Deleted_User_2665 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Dimitri wrote: |
I dont think I've ever went to a store that had any sort of gun cleaning supplies that didnt have Hoppes #9.
Dimitri |
Sounds like a neat Science Project for you to try...
Afterall....you DO like to clean guns.
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5944
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Science Project ??
I've never been NOT able to pick up a bottle of Hoppes #9 back when I was still using it at any store that sold firearm cleaning products thats a fact. But I could have went to a store not needed and therefor not look hence why "I don't think".
Dimitri
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: Re: A New Snake Oil and a History of Failures |
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Isn't Hoppes #9 just a powder solvent? It doesn't actually remove copper fouling does it?
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