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Too late for guns?
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Vince
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

October 10, 2008

Fellow Sportsman,

Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash.

The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues.
The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions.
The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric.
The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.
That’s the Barack Obama I know.

Sincerely,
(original signed)
Richard A. Pearson
Executive Director
Illinois State Rifle Association
420 E. Locust, P.O. Box 637 , Chatsworth , IL 60921
Phone: (815) 635-3198 or (815) 635-3166 Fax: (815) 635-3723
Website: www.isra.org

Cheers, Vince

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

i was advised to delete this post

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Weinbender...You need to look at your gun restriction (laws) when you say that.

One other thing...We don't talk like that about our president. Even if we do not like him or his ideas or plans. Please refrain from anything even bordering on threats to the U.S. President...Please.

Let us know how you come out on your sighting in...Photos of targets would be nice...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

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"The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves."


That statement is the biggest load of C%&p to come out of an Amercan's mouth I have heard in years. It shows that he not one iota of an idea of what happens in our country, so how can he verbalise about what's going on in the USA.

Approx 95% of hunting and shooting is carried on by the ordinary, hard working, joe public, as in the USA or for that, anywhere else in the world, who have to save to buy a gun or a days shooting, not as he calls "The upper crust". Where did he dig that one from, the doomsday book?

I would very reluctant to take onboard, information, from someone who doesn't have a clue on what happens elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

good on you bushy I could not agree more. that is one of the first things my kids were taught never to say.you do not threaten to shoot anybody or the boys n girls in blue can come take your guns and gun licence and you wont get them back.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Elvis wrote:
you do not threaten to shoot anybody

That is entirely it. No one is worth the risk of losing all your rights and freedoms over a dumb comment.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

wy111 wrote:
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"The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves."


That statement is the biggest load of C%&p to come out of an Amercan's mouth I have heard in years. It shows that he not one iota of an idea of what happens in our country, so how can he verbalise about what's going on in the USA.

Approx 95% of hunting and shooting is carried on by the ordinary, hard working, joe public, as in the USA or for that, anywhere else in the world, who have to save to buy a gun or a days shooting, not as he calls "The upper crust". Where did he dig that one from, the doomsday book?

I would very reluctant to take onboard, information, from someone who doesn't have a clue on what happens elsewhere.

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Wot wy111 says.

Email going off to the ISRA pointing out the inaccuracies of this statement.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Hey Vince---You tell ME not to be a trouble maker. Very Happy Very Happy

NOW look what YOU STARTED!!!!!!!!!

I think that I will put this post on my favorites, incase I have to remind you in the future, when I stir the pot a tad too much Vince. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Eric Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

ElyBoy wrote:
Hey Vince---You tell ME not to be a trouble maker. Very Happy Very Happy

NOW look what YOU STARTED!!!!!!!!!

I think that I will put this post on my favorites, incase I have to remind you in the future, when I stir the pot a tad too much Vince. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Eric Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana

Me.....a sh1t stirrer.....never mate. Laughing Laughing Laughing

But seriously mate...my intention is not to stir up trouble, but to simply pass on things that appear to be legitimate and are of interest, or benefit, to us here.

Cheers, Vince

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Had an automated acknowledgement this morning.

I'll pester him if he doesn't reply. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

ElyBoy wrote:
Hey Vince---You tell ME not to be a trouble maker. Very Happy Very Happy

NOW look what YOU STARTED!!!!!!!!!

I think that I will put this post on my favorites, incase I have to remind you in the future, when I stir the pot a tad too much Vince. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Eric Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana Nananana

Sir i think it was me that stirred up the pot with my thoughtless and quite stupid comment.

I humbly ask for forgiveness from all of you and hope my time in huntingnut didnt end with what i said.

Theres nothing really i can say to make wrong right but i just hope u guys can forgive me.

Thank you,
yours humbly
dan

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

You were planing to go somewhere Weinbender? I don't remember anyone tellin' you could leave. Presently you are stuck here... Popcorn Cheers

English Mike...Automated acknowledgement"?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Well done you guys.........see you won the election! (heeheehaahaa)
O.......Hi Vince
Hope you guys dont go our way with the Legislation
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Thanks, dick1208, for your "condolences". But we haven't "lost" yet...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Too late for guns? Reply with quote

Hello fellows.

There was pentition to Finlands Minister of the Interior. Many peole will to forbid handgus shorter than 23,5". Ihave 6 handguns, but only one is ok. It is T/C Contender .357 Rem Max 14" barrell with silencer. The silencer must to weld to the barrell.
Autsch, I have one moor "legal hand gun" too: T/C Contender pistol with .223Rem 21"-long carbine barell.
I am not certain, must I to laugh or cry. Very Happy Shocked Very Happy Shocked
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