HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: RichardZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13126

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 381
BOT: 0
Total: 381
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Home
03: Home
04: Forums
05: Photo Albums
06: Home
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Your Account
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Forums
14: Home
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Home
25: Forums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Home
32: Your Account
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Home
37: Home
38: Your Account
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Your Account
47: Photo Albums
48: Photo Albums
49: Home
50: Forums
51: Home
52: Home
53: Forums
54: Your Account
55: Photo Albums
56: Forums
57: Your Account
58: Your Account
59: Home
60: Forums
61: Home
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Your Account
65: Forums
66: News
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Photo Albums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Your Account
80: Home
81: Forums
82: Photo Albums
83: Your Account
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Forums
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Your Account
90: Your Account
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Forums
96: Your Account
97: Forums
98: Forums
99: Your Account
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Forums
104: Forums
105: Forums
106: Forums
107: Statistics
108: Your Account
109: Home
110: Forums
111: Photo Albums
112: Forums
113: Forums
114: Home
115: Your Account
116: Forums
117: Forums
118: Home
119: Forums
120: Your Account
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: Photo Albums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Forums
127: Forums
128: Your Account
129: Photo Albums
130: Home
131: Forums
132: Forums
133: Forums
134: Your Account
135: Forums
136: Forums
137: Home
138: Forums
139: Home
140: Forums
141: Forums
142: Forums
143: Forums
144: Forums
145: Photo Albums
146: Forums
147: Your Account
148: Home
149: Forums
150: Forums
151: Forums
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Home
155: Forums
156: Photo Albums
157: Forums
158: Forums
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Forums
162: Forums
163: Forums
164: Forums
165: Forums
166: Your Account
167: Forums
168: Forums
169: Forums
170: Forums
171: Forums
172: Forums
173: Home
174: Your Account
175: News
176: Forums
177: Forums
178: Photo Albums
179: Forums
180: Home
181: Forums
182: Photo Albums
183: Forums
184: Forums
185: Your Account
186: Home
187: Forums
188: Forums
189: Forums
190: Photo Albums
191: Forums
192: Forums
193: Your Account
194: Photo Albums
195: Photo Albums
196: Forums
197: Home
198: Forums
199: Your Account
200: Forums
201: Forums
202: Forums
203: Forums
204: Your Account
205: Home
206: Forums
207: Home
208: Forums
209: Your Account
210: Forums
211: Forums
212: Forums
213: Forums
214: Home
215: Photo Albums
216: Your Account
217: Forums
218: Home
219: Forums
220: Forums
221: Forums
222: Forums
223: Forums
224: Home
225: Forums
226: Home
227: Forums
228: Your Account
229: Home
230: Home
231: Home
232: Forums
233: Forums
234: Home
235: Forums
236: Forums
237: Your Account
238: Forums
239: Forums
240: Forums
241: Forums
242: Your Account
243: Forums
244: Forums
245: Forums
246: Your Account
247: Photo Albums
248: Forums
249: Forums
250: Home
251: Home
252: Forums
253: Home
254: Forums
255: Your Account
256: Your Account
257: Home
258: Forums
259: Home
260: Forums
261: Forums
262: Forums
263: Forums
264: Forums
265: Forums
266: Forums
267: Forums
268: Forums
269: Photo Albums
270: Forums
271: Your Account
272: Your Account
273: Forums
274: Home
275: Your Account
276: Forums
277: Forums
278: Photo Albums
279: Forums
280: Forums
281: Forums
282: Forums
283: Forums
284: Forums
285: Forums
286: Forums
287: Forums
288: Home
289: Your Account
290: Forums
291: Home
292: Photo Albums
293: Forums
294: Forums
295: Forums
296: Forums
297: Forums
298: Forums
299: Home
300: Your Account
301: Forums
302: Your Account
303: Your Account
304: Your Account
305: Forums
306: Forums
307: Your Account
308: Forums
309: Forums
310: Photo Albums
311: Forums
312: Photo Albums
313: Forums
314: Home
315: Forums
316: Forums
317: Forums
318: Photo Albums
319: Forums
320: Forums
321: Forums
322: Home
323: Home
324: Forums
325: Forums
326: Forums
327: Forums
328: Forums
329: Forums
330: Forums
331: Forums
332: Forums
333: Photo Albums
334: Your Account
335: Forums
336: Forums
337: Forums
338: Forums
339: Forums
340: Forums
341: Your Account
342: Forums
343: Home
344: Forums
345: Forums
346: Your Account
347: Home
348: Photo Albums
349: Forums
350: Home
351: Your Account
352: Forums
353: Forums
354: Forums
355: Forums
356: Forums
357: Forums
358: Forums
359: Forums
360: Home
361: Forums
362: Forums
363: Forums
364: Your Account
365: Forums
366: Forums
367: Forums
368: Forums
369: Your Account
370: Forums
371: Forums
372: Forums
373: Forums
374: Forums
375: Forums
376: Forums
377: Forums
378: Forums
379: Home
380: Forums
381: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2451
  · Views: 820725
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 86
 

Neat News Story
Discussions run-amok, innane banter it all goes here
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Spam-O-Rama

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Neat News Story Reply with quote

www.wsbtv.com/news/193...etail.html

Quote::
College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009Updated: 9:09 am EDT May 7, 2009
COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.

TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.

“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.

A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.

“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.

The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.

Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.

“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.

One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.

Smile

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

This couldn’t of happened!!! College student with a gun saves life !!! No Way !!! Diane Sawyer said so !!!!

Once again, here's your sign Diane You are stupid

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
gelandangan
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006
Posts: 6396
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

My sympathy goes to the shooter.

It is hard to take live - even if they were scums.
Plus the fact that this is in the US of A (a civilised country) I could almost hear the lawyers giggling, preparing their court case and scouting for a new Villa up the hills or a new 90ft yatch..
(aint it great to be a lawyer? recession cannot touch you..)

- Did you not think that you are using excessive force?
- how do you know that the gunman are going to shoot or rape the girl?
- Why are you carrying a gun? are you expecting trouble?
etc
etc
etc

Bloody bleeding hearts - making heroes sound like the aggressors.

Bring back capital punishment!!

_________________
A straight line is the shortest distance between two points.
A smile is the shortest distance between two people.

Do - Not try!


gelandangan.weebly.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Gelan,

It happened in Georgia, I do believe they have for many decades laws protecting a homeowner from prosecution from this. And many more laws protecting people in general if they shot a criminal in the act.

The student other then any emotional issues he may face because he took a life will be just fine.

The US may be a civilized country but they believe in the right of self defense and protection of others in most states anyways.

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 5001
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

I rarely read any of the comments accompanying news articles but I had to at least scan through those about this incident to see what people were thinking. It seems that they are overwhelmingly in favor of the armed citizen. I wonder if the “leadership” in the world will ever realize that people prefer to be able to defend themselves. On the other hand, maybe they DO know this, and are doing what they can to prevent it.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 11390
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Bingo!!! Yer good pumpkinslinger...

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
ElyBoy
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 04, 2006
Posts: 1541
Location: Forest Lake Minnesota

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

I'll bet we won't read this story in the new york times anytime soon.

Eric

_________________
NRA Certified Chief Range Safety Officer
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
DNR Certified Firearms Safety Instructor
NRA Life Member
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Dimitri wrote:
I do believe they have for many decades laws protecting a homeowner from prosecution from this. And many more laws protecting people in general if they shot a criminal in the act.

The US may be a civilized country but they believe in the right of self defense and protection of others in most states anyways.

Dimitri

Shooting a criminal in the act doesn’t make it an open and shut case !!!
The shooter still has to prove justification for their actions. Many times the law favors the criminal not the law abiding citizen.

I’ve never heard or read a news headline that said “Career criminal shot dead, SOB finally gets what he deserves”
Usually goes more like this: “Police are investigating weather or not excessive force was justified”

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Chambered,

Georgia (Where the student is in) has a Castle Law, and has a clause in it stating he doesn't have to retreat when in his own home, car, place of business or while he is out in public when someone is attacking or threatening him. Additionally he is exempt from being charged for his actions due to it automatically being self defense.

Hence why in the article the only actions mentioned that the police are taking is finding the 2nd criminal and not trying to charge the student. Wink

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Self defense needs to be determined before the Castle Doctrine can be applied. (it sounds to be the case here)

Castle laws deal with the fact you can stand your ground. It doesn’t preempt laws that deal with excessive force or unjustified shootings.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
It doesn’t preempt laws that deal with excessive force or unjustified shootings.

Per Georgia's specific law:

Quote::
has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in said Code sections, including deadly force.

From reading the NRA's American Rifleman over the years I cannot recall a Castle Law that didn't make any criminal action towards someone a "life threatening" situation allowing the person to use deadly force automatically if they feel it is required.

Castle Laws generally include the use of deadly force being automatic due to the criminals actions, the right of the victim to stand their ground, and a great many of them also allow a 3rd party to take action for the victim in situations where the victim may be defenseless.

Georgia's law also includes the 3rd part, making his actions to stop the criminals in other parts of the home to protect the other people in his home again justified no matter how much a prosecute may want to hang the poor kid.

A break in someone's home is a cut and dry case (protection of self, property and others so all 3 in this case), the kid didn't go and shoot them on the street. Before the break in then tried justifying it as a break in in progress.

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.


Last edited by Dimitri on Fri May 08, 2009 7:24 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Also should note that 6 states (I think it’s 6) still have the duty to retreat clause in their castle doctrines.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
Also should note that 6 states (I think it’s 6) still have the duty to retreat clause in their castle doctrines.

Even when one is in their own home? Or just in public settings? Confused

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15704
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

I'm with you Gelan.

This is a hard one to pick....harder to pick than a broken nose. I want to agree with 'Mitri, but unfortunately I can see exactly where Chambers is coming from. Gelan summed it up pretty well with this comment:

Gelan wrote:
I could almost hear the lawyers giggling, preparing their court case and scouting for a new Villa up the hills or a new 90ft yacht..
(aint it great to be a lawyer? recession cannot touch you..)

Commonsense or common decency are not words to be found in a "bottom feeder's" vocabulary...only..."now, what can I do to win this one and make a name for myself...and a million bucks" Evil or Very Mad

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)


Last edited by Vince on Fri May 08, 2009 6:09 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Neat News Story Reply with quote

Yes, it's one of the gray areas no-ones talking about.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Spam-O-Rama
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.