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Maqwa Member
Joined: Apr 27, 2010 Posts: 77 Location: North Bay Ont. Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Remington knew the guns were handled by a remington dealer not an autherized smith before advising Omini to call. Just check back if you will.
If this was the policy , then it could have been clear from the start .
In this situation Remington could have come to the party and paid some of the bill . "No biggy" for a company that size . WRITE IT OFF AS GOOD PUBLIC RELATIONS .
As a mechanic I would not want any guy to mess with a tranny I built
But maybe know and trust a repair shop who would be trusted to have a look .If the repair was small it would get the nod , otherwise I ask for the tranny to be shipped down. Common sence!!
Suppose the car owner ran over something and broke a line . If a few liters of oil got him going again I would spring for it .Just to make a guy happy. Some times you need to take abit , knowing down the road word of mouth is going to help you maybe down the road .
Well this works in Central and southern Ontario Canada . We tend to work together that way.
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Good news, just getting back home from work and my answering machine was flooded with messages from Remington and my Gunsmith. I have a gut feeling after I called him before I called Remington to see what was up and he is still pissed.
To make a long story short, Remington will cover all of my cost to modify both guns and also pay for handling fees.
Also John (my gunsmith) told me to tell everybody out there that the safety program is on until 12/31/2010.
Went through heck but what it means is they will fix the problem and (i think it should be free) replace trigger as needed.
John (my gunsmith) blew up at Remington and showed proof to me and he was faxing papers to Remington stating that he has covered warranty on Remington rifles for 28 years.
They wrote him back a letter saying it was just a misunderstanding.
Now, I will put my 2 cents in, Remington was a good company, the people that did build the rifles and shotguns took pride back from 1930's till the middle 1980's. Like John said the people who took pride in building a rifle or shotgun, they are long gone now and sad to be, the bottom line is money.
This is a shame because I admired Remington and Winchester, and even thou they both build excellent guns, their management and support sucks.
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Here is the link for Remington Safety Program.
Remington Bolt Action Safety Program
As you can see, it it's just not the M700 that has a problem.
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Maqwa Member
Joined: Apr 27, 2010 Posts: 77 Location: North Bay Ont. Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Well I am very pleased Some One in Remington Arms has come forward and done more than expected .
I was getting discouraged for awhile with the BIG GREEN.I was wrong in so thinking- as proved today ."There is good management "
Lets all grab up a stump ,and a beer from the cooler and be merry .
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15715 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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RemingtonArms Rookie Member
Joined: Nov 04, 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Glad to hear all was resolved.
With thousands of dealers, millions of guns in market, and countless people in the process (both in and out of the company), sometimes wires get crossed. Not an excuse, just an observation.
Please don't hesitate to call us with any questions or concerns. We try our best to support our products and our customers. Even if it takes us a few go-rounds to get it right.
We're shooters ourselves, and know it's frustrating when your gun isn't working as you (rightly) expect it to.
Hope your 700 serves you for years to come, and very sorry for headaches.
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15715 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Elvis Super Member
Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9253 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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my 1st rifle is a .22 single shot Remington. its old as simple as and has never let me down. Im with Vince as I to am impressed with Remington for fronting up. keep up the good work.
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tlo7mm Super Member
Joined: Nov 15, 2010 Posts: 426 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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Unfortunatly some of you are very uninformed about the situation. There have been many Model 700 Rem that have been purchased new with no modifications and this still occured. I have seen this first hand so I know for a fact it happens with new guns. Also they did produce a gun with this issue resolved however rather then stopping production on the original design they continued producing both types and selling them side by side. I agree that if the gun was pointed in a safe direction however a gun that fails like that should not be in production. The original designer of the Model 700, Mr. Walker warned Remington to fix the problem many years ago however Remington refused to make the changes.
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15715 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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tlo7mm wrote: |
Unfortunatly some of you are very uninformed about the situation. There have been many Model 700 Rem that have been purchased new with no modifications and this still occured. I have seen this first hand so I know for a fact it happens with new guns. Also they did produce a gun with this issue resolved however rather then stopping production on the original design they continued producing both types and selling them side by side. I agree that if the gun was pointed in a safe direction however a gun that fails like that should not be in production. The original designer of the Model 700, Mr. Walker warned Remington to fix the problem many years ago however Remington refused to make the changes. |
Yes mate...I don't doubt that this may very well be the case, and it is a problem that needs addressing.
However, having said that, one of our members has gone to Remington with the problem on his rifle and they have, fronted up, come to the party and corrected the problem. This I find to be admirable on the part of Remington given that we are a very public forum.
Maybe if every "700" owner, with the problem, did the same, then maybe Remington would do a total recall or "take your rifle to "this Gunsmith to be checked" action. At the end of the day, a rifle is a machine, and machines are fallible...and when they become fallible to the point of being dangerous, then it is the responsibility of the owner/operator to take steps to have the fault corrected...not the original manufacturer. Unless you tell them that your "machine" is faulty, then they will not know about your "machine". This, of course, does not abrogate their responsibility though.
Finally...one thing my Dad always taught me:
"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".
What this means (to me anyway) is that if you approach the manufacturer in a non confrontational manner, are pleasant, and flexible in your request for assistance, you are more likely to get helpful action than not. Certainly, I don't believe that "they" will go any further than is totally necessary if you are being pig headed and officious.
Cheers, Vince
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Swampman Rookie Member
Joined: Nov 17, 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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So the "recall" only applies to 700s made before 1982? Correct?
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chambered221 Super Member
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 3455 Location: Lost for good !!!
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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I'm not aware of any recall......only the Safety Modification Program that ominvision has listed a link to.
This modification allows the safety to stay engaged while opening the bolt. Guns made 1982 and prior you had to put the safety in the fire position in order to open the bolt to unload the gun. Guns made after 1982 have the modification in place from the factory.
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Swampman Rookie Member
Joined: Nov 17, 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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That was my impression. Thanks!
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roklok Super Member
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Remington 700 Bolt Problems |
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I have hunted down pre 1982 safetys and installed them in most of my 700s that I use for big game hunting. The older safety converts post 1982 700s to lock the bolt when on safe. The newer 700s no longer have the bolt milled for the locking safety though. I have three 700s manufactured in 1989, seven years after the safety was changed, and they are still milled for the bolt locking safety. A simple safety swap is all that is necesary to convert these rifles to locking bolt.
I have a .270 700 that was made in 1997, the receiver is still milled for the bolt lock safety but the bolt is not. I am planning on milling the bolt with my trusty dremel tool to also accept the bolt lock safety.
If anyone has an older 700 that locks the bolt and wants to eliminate the feature, send me a PM, I will trade you the newer style safety for your older style bolt lock safety.
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tcknight Super Member
Joined: Oct 09, 2009 Posts: 327 Location: Arkansas
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