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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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I think that the person who wrote that is not thinking too clearly.
The 30 RSAUM was designed to work in a AR-10 body to allow people to get a round in a relatively small action and still go further without resorting to long action guns, which then defeats the purpose of a short magnum.
It is more comparable to the WSM then the WSSM, the 300WSM will do the same 2950-3000fps range with a 168gr SMK, as a 300RSAUM, but the 300WSSM simply doesn't exist.
The 300WSM will fit in a action designed for up to a 30-06 (mid-length actions), but most definitely not work in a 308Win platform such as the AR-10. Which the 300RSAUM was clearly designed to do.
Its comparing apples to oranges. By mixing the faith of the WSSM and the RSAUM. As clearly even the 300WSM seems to have a rather big following especially up here, which is the same competition for the 300RSAUM.
Dimitri
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:47 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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The fact of the matter is......the shooting sports are full of people that just are not willing to accept change unless they are absolutely forced to !!!
Strike up a conversation at a gun club about anything new dealing with guns and ammo and the first thing you'll hear is some old fart telling you there's nothing wrong with what and how he's been doing it for the last 100 years.
As the younger begin to join in they are ridiculed for even thinking about getting that new thing instead of something tried and trued. "There doing nothing more than reinventing the wheel to sell you something you don't need".
I know skeet shooters that still complain about Red Dot being changed years ago.
I know rifle shooters that can't understand why we have so many powders available, all you need is IMR 4831 or 4350, if you got a little gun some BL-C.
I know pistol shooters that don't realize they have other options besides Bullseye.
God forbid you ever bring up short mags.
Start talking premium bullets and your wasting your money.
These same people usually have no understanding of the mechanics, what the product represents or what it was designed to do. Yet they spout off with their ignorance muddying the waters for potential buyers.
Those that don't know any better will usually side with the old fart and his so called knowledge and experience.
And the industry wonders why the new stuff isn't so popular !!!
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:08 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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I have noticed that a lot of the used rifles on the consignment rack are WSM. Maybe folks don't like getting kicked around so much. I did analyzed the .270 WSM vs the .270 Win a couple of years ago and found it came up "short" and bought a .270 Win. I would have had to go to the heaviest bullets to gain any significant advantage. I thnk the 300 WSM is a better performer.
BTW, the 300 WSSM does exist. Olympus sells the rifle and ammo. Equivalent to a .30-06 with the lighter bullets.
The .17 has done well and I’m beginning to consider one because of their accuracy. .17 ammo costs have held me back.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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go into a out of the way general store and you will find ammo for the 06, .270 and .308 not to forget the good ol 30/30. try to find some wsm etc etc ammo cause someone forgot to pack it and you will appreciate your standard ammo alot more.
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cbsweeney Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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I have a 300wsm and I love it! But no more or less than my .308, or 30-30. I didn't get it to replace them, it's just another gun! If you like it, buy it. If not, buy something else! There's no right or wrong choice.
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tcknight Super Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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Dead, dead, dead.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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tc, you are saying the .17 rimfires are "dead"?
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tikkat3 Super Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:11 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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The 17mach2 is just about dead here.
The 204's are going strong
The WSSM's appear popular to wildcatters for 44 and 45cals
And my 300WSM is one of the easiest to find a load with and accurate
One of the things certain in life is change, embrace it.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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tikkat3 wrote: |
The 17mach2 is just about dead here. |
Where is here?
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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slimjim wrote: |
tikkat3 wrote: |
The 17mach2 is just about dead here. |
Where is here? |
New South Wales, Australia Slim.
Cheers, Vince
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tcknight Super Member
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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You shoot the 17 Remington?
Dimitri
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tcknight Super Member
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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Slim, In comparing data with Barnes (monolithic) bullets I can see why you would see it that way.......as a comparison with Nosler and Hodgdon data using lead core bullets I disagree ......there's a good 200-250 fps gain to be had with the WSM.
Elvis, I know this is an important issue to some but I and those that I hunt with have never needed to resort to such tacticis.
It's all about proper planning. I carry at least 2 boxes of my hunting ammo and a 50 round box of range ammo should I need it for whatever reason. I also carry a backup rifle just in case.......it too has hunting and range ammo along for the ride. The fact that the backup gun is a 30-06 is part of the planning though !!!
.17 FireBaaaaaaaallllll
Were in the world did you come up with that idea ???
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tcknight Super Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Dying WSSMs and others doomed for extinction |
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