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Vince Site Admin
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Vince, I think you will have a good experience. I loaded up 20 grains in my .270 Win behind a 150gr bullet and got a 1590 mv. The case was full. Nice not having the recoil or muzzle blast.
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Humph!! Nothing better for the soul then recoil therapy of 32 grains of W-748 under a 170 grain Speer FNSP from a .30 WCF.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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My big bro has just started using some in his .308,he said accuracy is good so far but hard to get head around single digit load data and a nearly full case.
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MacD Super Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Will be real interested to see how it turns out. I would like to use it in my 1875 replica Remington revolver. I was also looking at VV Tin Star powder but it is expensive and I can only find one supplier who stocks it and they have minimum order requirements. I checked my Lee powder VMD chart (Volume of one grain of powder in cubic centimeters). The value for Trail Boss is .2172 cc per grain and by comparison for Win 231 is. .0931. Thats over 2x the volume for the same weight of powder. The weight of powder for a 230 grain lead bullet is closer at 5.5 (685 fps) and 5.8 (738 fps) respectively. These are published values, not my own measurements.
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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I dont like trailboss in necked cartridges, specially with large difference between the neck and chamber like the 243
The pressure spike does goes a bit higher than what I am comfortable with.
Make sure your barrel is clear before loading another one Vince.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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gelandangan wrote: |
Make sure your barrel is clear before loading another one Vince. |
I don't think you will have that issue if you load the case up.
Vince, do you have this load data? I was pleased to see how my 20.0 gr load in my .270 was so close to their data.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Vince wrote: |
Trail Boss is a bulky powder, in fact I was surprised to see that it takes the form of pieces of "shaved cylinder". |
Looks like tiny doughnuts. 20 grains just about fills a .270 case so its about a 1/3 the weight of smokelss powder.
Vince, I would think the best way to prolong your brass would be to develop loads at the minimum powder weigth range with normal smokeless powders and anneal your brass after about 4 firings. Work hardingin should be the primary factor to shorten life. I'm going 12 or more reloads with my .270 near max loads with my biggest issue being the progressive worsening of neck thickness that causes concentricity problems.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Somewhere between a minimum and maximum load there are usually two (sometimes more) accurate loads (loads that fall on the correct harmonic).
I rarely anneal my cases and have loaded some of them over twenty times.
That's my 3006 - neck size only and shooting about 97% of max with H414.
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Vince Site Admin
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MacD Super Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Slim: Great info.
How dirty is it? I hate cleaning the cylinder and around the cone on my revolver after using Clays. W231 and VV N340 aren't as bad. If Trail Boss is clean I just may add it to my next order, assuming it is available, so many powders are still in short supply.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Trail Boss |
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Vince wrote: |
I load .5 grain below max which should help a little, but I check for stretching every time I load the .243 cases, but after only two or three loads I haven't found anything yet. |
As far as I am aware, there is no "max" with Trail Boss. You can see the chamber pressure in the chart. Its typcially half to 2/3 that of modern smokeless powder. for .243, .270, .30-06, etc, fill the case and enjoy.
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