HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: RichardZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13126

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 222
BOT: 1
Total: 223
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Home
04: Forums
05: Your Account
06: Forums
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Home
10: Photo Albums
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Photo Albums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Home
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Photo Albums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Photo Albums
29: Forums
30: Home
31: Home
32: Home
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Your Account
37: Photo Albums
38: Forums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Your Account
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Forums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Your Account
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Home
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Forums
62: Home
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Home
66: Home
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Home
70: Forums
71: Home
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Photo Albums
77: Your Account
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Forums
81: Home
82: Forums
83: Forums
84: Home
85: Home
86: Forums
87: Home
88: Home
89: Home
90: Home
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Your Account
94: Home
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Photo Albums
99: Home
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Forums
104: Home
105: Your Account
106: Forums
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Forums
110: Home
111: Forums
112: Forums
113: Photo Albums
114: Forums
115: Home
116: Forums
117: Home
118: Forums
119: Photo Albums
120: Forums
121: Photo Albums
122: Forums
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Forums
127: Forums
128: Home
129: Forums
130: Photo Albums
131: Forums
132: Home
133: Forums
134: Forums
135: Home
136: Home
137: Forums
138: Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Forums
144: Forums
145: Forums
146: Home
147: Forums
148: Forums
149: Home
150: Your Account
151: Home
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Forums
155: Your Account
156: Forums
157: Forums
158: Your Account
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Forums
162: Forums
163: Your Account
164: Your Account
165: Home
166: Articles: Topics
167: Your Account
168: Forums
169: Forums
170: Forums
171: Photo Albums
172: Forums
173: Your Account
174: Your Account
175: Forums
176: Forums
177: Your Account
178: Photo Albums
179: Forums
180: Home
181: Forums
182: Forums
183: Photo Albums
184: Photo Albums
185: Forums
186: Your Account
187: Home
188: Forums
189: Forums
190: Forums
191: Home
192: Your Account
193: Forums
194: Home
195: Forums
196: Home
197: Forums
198: Forums
199: Home
200: Forums
201: Forums
202: Forums
203: Forums
204: Forums
205: Home
206: Forums
207: Photo Albums
208: Home
209: Home
210: Forums
211: Forums
212: Home
213: Forums
214: Forums
215: Forums
216: Home
217: Home
218: Forums
219: Forums
220: Forums
221: Photo Albums
222: Home
  BOT:
01: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2451
  · Views: 820725
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 86
 

Safety ON? Safety OFF?
By Popular Demand: Discussions related to Varmint Hunting
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Varmint Hunting

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 11390
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Gentleman...I just pulled my Browning A-Bolt from the safe and tried that method mentioned above. Let me tell you...If I tried that with a loaded chamber with this rifle I would have a hole in something that I didn't want a hole in. Holding the trigger back and slowly sending the bolt home the firing pin went home as soon as it closed with a snap. BAD IDEA!!! Who ever said that they used this procedure must have a lot of holes here and there.

So sorry Mikekuzara...But it just wouldn't work with my .30-06 Springfield (Browning)... wtf

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
Poodlepopper
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Sep 18, 2005
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

My savage has a three position safety, so you can operate the bolt without being able to pull the trigger. Except when shooting it is in the "half-safe" position with the bolt open. Regardless of whether the safety is on I always watch where people are pointing their barrel, even with people I have been out with before. I had one of my friends buddies sweep me with his muzzle once and wont go anywhere near that guy again. He told me not to worry about it, he had been in the army. Sure pal.

_________________
"There is room for all of God's creatures on this earth....right next to the mashed potato's and gravy"
Back to top
View user's profile
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 11390
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Oh ya...Brownings are equiped with a shot gun thumb safety. All of the various trick safetys and other devices still does not make a better rifleman. Unless he is absolutely safety consious. We all forget once in a while and get careless. Sometimes it just can't be helped. Anybody that hasn't made a mistake with the location of the business end of their rifle or handgun probably would lie to a preacher, too...Safetys ON...

Welcome Poodlepopper. Just because he was in the army doesn't excuse him from apologizing...And doing a better job of watching his muzzle...

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Grimel,every bolt action that I am aware of will have the firing pin resting on the primer with the method talked about. Its possible that there is a type out there that doesnt but Im not aware of it. The way to check this is to remove the bolt from the rifle and turn the rear of the bolt or the cocking piece down the camming cut just as it would be when the bolt is closed in the rifle,Im betting you'll see the firing pin protruding through the bolt face. My Remington 700 and Ruger 77 both do. Rifles operate at too high of pressures to have a inertia firing pin as in a lot of shotguns and the 1911 Govt pistol. The full force of the spring is pushing the firing pin forward. Gives me the willys just thinking about carrying a loaded rifle around like that! I do use this exact method to store my unloaded bolt actions to take the tension off the striker spring.
Back to top
View user's profile
515034s10ring
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 08, 2005
Posts: 1153
Location: Working my way back up and around

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

With rifles, i was taught to hold in a position that as soon as i bring it up to my shoulder, (when already able to identify my target) the safety can be positioned off (plus i'm used to light triggers...so safety is a must on rifles).

Although, i now hunt quite a bit with revolvers and a Glock 10MM, with the both of them having light triggers (4lb and under), and no external safety (i also have carried a Glock or revolver 'or both' daily, for over 14 years now). It's a rarity however, in that i can only recall ever having A revlover and my Glock unholstered (seperate times) while in a clearing and stalking along a brush edge, and the shot being only a minute away (that happened twice in one year....but at this point i practice a two finger hold and a two finger over the trigger guard).
Back to top
View user's profile
robfromaz1977
Member
Member


Joined: Aug 03, 2005
Posts: 179
Location: Arizona's White Mountains

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

mikekuzara wrote:
I always hunt with the safety off. Of course I also hunt with a Springfield 30-06 and always close the bolt with the trigger depressed, lowering the firing pin. When I get ready to shoot I have to lift up the bolt handle and lower it again to cock the firing pin.


I OWN AN 03 SPRINGFIELD AND WOULD NEVER CONSIDER CLOSING THE BOLT WITH A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER. I INSTALLED A TIMNEY SPEEDLOCK SPRING IN MY BOLT SO THE PRESSURE IS ALMOST TWICE THAT OF A ORINGANAL SPRING. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF YOU NEED A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER, THE SAFETY WOULD BE THE BETTER ALTERNATIVE. IT WOULD ALSO BE ALOT QUIETER THAN LIFTING THE BOLT TO RECOCK THE GUN. JUST IMAGINE IF YOU DROPPED THAT RIFLE WITH IT IN THE CONDITION YOU CARRY IT IN AND IT LANDED ON THE KNURRELED END OF THE BOLT THAT STICKS OUT FARTHER THAN ON MOST BOLT RIFLES. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE WITHIN 5 MILES OF YOU.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
heritage1550
Member
Member


Joined: Jul 13, 2005
Posts: 31
Location: East Texas Woods

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

I agree with the safety on contingent. Mine's always on even if I'm sitting in my deer stand a long way away from anybody. It's too easy to make a mistake you can't fix later.
Back to top
View user's profile
mikekuzara
Member
Member


Joined: Sep 13, 2005
Posts: 147
Location: Farson, Wyoming

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

I will stick with lowering the pin on a cartridge. I see it as a 50/50 proposition. Which is more dangerous? Having a cartridge under a firing pin that is under tension and only being held back by tiny piece of metal? Or one that has the pin under no tension but closer to the primer?

Just for the record someone complained about the same thing at elk camp a few years back, so I took the rifle, unloaded a cartidge, loaded the empty round and lowered the bolt. Then found a nice solid boulder and using both hands hit the butt of the rifle on the boulder a half dozen times with a result of , nothing.
The only way I can see for a discharge with the bolt lowered, would be to take a direct hit on the end of the firing pin. Since this would mean something would have to fit between the scope and the stock and hit the end of the firing pin perfectly, I think the odds would be dead even that something would cause a discharge with the firing pin cocked and safety on.
Personally, after witnessing the shooting ability and safe handling techniques of 70% of hunters, that 70% should not even have a bullet in the chamber, safety on or off.

_________________
Build a fire for a man and he is warm for a day.

Set a man on fire and he is warm the rest of his life.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

I recall an article in a shooting magazine years ago where the author did some tests with an old bolt action (mauser,I believe) after witnessing a proffessional hunter in Africa carrying his rifle in this manner (firing pin down on loaded chamber). He was using primed cases and dropping the rifle in various ways. He was able to ignite the primers a few times by dropping the rifle onto concrete muzzle first. We have all heard not to use pointed bullets in tubular magazines because of accidental ignition,I would think that a firing pin pushed against the primer with a much heavier spring than in any magazine would be worse.But I'm certainly not trying to tell anyone how to do things,just my opinion.
Back to top
View user's profile
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 11390
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Mikekuzara...I spent the evening trying out your method and I am here to tell you that when I return the bolt to battery I WILL fire the round in the chamber as my firing pin snaps home as the bolt closes. I have the feeling that I would be wearing that bolt as it is not quite locked. There is no doubt in my old and feeble mind on this subject. With the bolt out of the rifle I sent the firing pin home and it protruded from the bolt and I was unable to push it back in using my finger. It took a flat blade screw driver and some pressure to push it in.

I would HIGHLY recommend that the Moderator delete this string or a VERY LOUD DISCLAIMER be added to this string. Again... Sorry Mike, but this is a very dangerous practice and I wouldn't want to have some one try this with a loaded round in their rifle.

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Bushmaster,
hopefully your last post will serve as a disclaimer if nothing else is done.
Back to top
View user's profile
DallanC
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: Jan 18, 2005
Posts: 3571
Location: Utah

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

I personally do different things depending on the situation.

For centerfire guns I dont put a shell in the chamber until I'm ready to shoot. On a deer drive, hiking around or riding horses? Safety off, no shell in chamber. See critter jack one in and get ready.

Calling varmints. I will set up, shell in chamber, saftey on. I dont find my guns noisy enough that I cant slip off the safety without making a noise.

Pheasants or upland game (ie shotgun) I keep shell in chamber, safety on.

I shutter at the thought of lowering a firing pin on loaded cartridge though ... I couldnt in good conscience recommend that to anyone.


-DallanC
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
mikekuzara
Member
Member


Joined: Sep 13, 2005
Posts: 147
Location: Farson, Wyoming

PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

And I shudder to think of how many people out there carry a rifle with a bullet in the chamber, safety on, and depend on that safety to work.

I have seen at least a half dozen instances over the years of guns discharging when the safety was moved from the on to the off position.

Obviously lowering the bolt will not work on every rifle. And I do not believe I suggested otherwise. Again, I have tested this method, with this particular rifle. Primed, unloaded shell in the chamber, pin lowered, both hands, as hard as I could, hitting the butt of the rifle on a boulder.

The probability of accidental discharge, it seems, would be just as great, or greater, with the bolt cocked and safety on.

The bottom line is that I have had accidental discharges with a .22 rifle and a few handguns. They have never amounted to anything more than a hole in the ground. This is because I ALWAYS keep them pointed in a safe direction. With the exception of my CCW, they are ALWAYS unloaded before I climb into a vehicle, onto a horse, or into or out of a blind. I ALWAYS unload a gun before climbing over any serious rocks or deadfall trees.

Iwill NEVER depend on a mechanical device for safety. I have seen a myriad of holes shot through ceilings, floors, cars, and tents. All were from guns that were on "safe" or "empty". When I carry my rifle I know that when there is a live round in the chamber, I am even MORE careful of how I handle the weapon. It gets unloaded, completely unloaded, before I go inside any building, tent, car, or any other structure.

I would say 70% of the hunters I have seen in the field, I would not hunt with. They slap a round in the chamber, throw the safety on, and walk around like they have a stick in their hands instead of a deadly weapon. I have had people who are no longer my friends because I insisted on opening the action and inspecting the chamber of a gun they handed me, because they felt I did not "trust them" that the gun was unloaded. Friends like that I can do without. Anyone who doesn't open the action and inspect a gun I hand them, doesn't handle another gun of mine, ever.

_________________
Build a fire for a man and he is warm for a day.

Set a man on fire and he is warm the rest of his life.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
coyotehunter_1
Member
Member


Joined: Jan 25, 2005
Posts: 319
Location: Tennessee (USA)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Reguardless, it all comes down to using common sense! Sad

_________________
www.easterncoyotes.com/
I'm just an 'ol country boy who enjoys calling coyotes... nothing more, nothing less.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
beezer
Member
Member


Joined: Aug 22, 2005
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Safety ON? Safety OFF? Reply with quote

Safety on. It's OK saying finger off the trigger when you're in a stand but what about when you are stalking through cover? A stick could easily catch the trigger and boy, would that give you a shock if your rifle fired for no reason whilst slung on your shoulder.
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Varmint Hunting
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.