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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Next time you are at the welfare office to get your check. You might invest in a chart and a good compass [at my expense I'm sure]...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

wtf Now what makes you think I get a welfare check??? Maybe I’m just independently wealthy !!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Hummmm....Thought crossed my mind...Just that there are not that many of us these days...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
:wtf: Now what makes you think I get a welfare check??? Maybe I’m just independently wealthy !!!


Now that is hilarious ROFL Poke ROFL

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

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@#$%^&*....Someone revoke his "invite" permit...

Wiersy...You get what you want? I mean...Did we ,or they, give you the answer you needed...

Yea Bushy good answers.

How can you revoke Chambereds troll in training permit. Worship ROFL

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

wtf I think the troll thing is a little harsh!!! Nuisance guest at times maybe but not troll !!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Pumpkinslinger wrote:
How come the "Short & Weak" has about 100 ftlbs (almost 23%) more energy than the .45 Auto?? Wink

Actually, the best ammo that I can find, which is Double Tap, the ballistics are pretty close between .40 S&W and .45 ACP;

9mm x 19 4-1/2" ----- .40 S&W 4-1/2" ----- .45 ACP 5"
115gr jhp - 511me-- 135gr jhp - 605me-- 185gr jhp - 616me
124gr jhp - 473me-- 155gr jhp - 590me-- 200gr jhp - 562me
147gr jhp - 421me-- 165gr jhp - 563me-- 230gr jhp - 521me
-------------------------- 180gr jhp - 520me
-------------------------- 200gr jhp - 538me

I threw the 9mm in there just for good measure. Pistol Shooting Cheers

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Hmmm interesting.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

D_Hoffman, that .45 Auto must be +P+!! I calculated 1225 ft/sec? I was comparing standard pressure loads. The fastest .40 S&W load I've tried was a 135 gr JHp at standard pressure and ran 1500 ft/sec from a 5" barrel (670 ftlbs). It ran 1880 from my PC4 carbine!

I stopped and looked at their website before I submitted this and sure enough, 1225 ft/sec. And they say that it is just under +P.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Yup, that's why I use this ammo for my on duty carry in my Glock22. It's some powerfull ammo, way above any other ammo that I researched. It's factory ammo so that the bloodsuckers (lawyers) can't rip me apart if I ever need to use it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Actually, the best ammo that I can find, which is Double Tap, the ballistics are pretty close between .40 S&W and .45 ACP;

9mm x 19 4-1/2" ----- .40 S&W 4-1/2" ----- .45 ACP 5"
115gr jhp - 511me-- 135gr jhp - 605me-- 185gr jhp - 616me
124gr jhp - 473me-- 155gr jhp - 590me-- 200gr jhp - 562me
147gr jhp - 421me-- 165gr jhp - 563me-- 230gr jhp - 521me
-------------------------- 180gr jhp - 520me
-------------------------- 200gr jhp - 538me

I threw the 9mm in there just for good measure. Pistol Shooting :cheers:[/quote]


Now, put those velocities and bullet weights on the Taylor Knockdown chart and we see a very different result that favors heavier bullets.

Marshall Sanow Index is another resource that sheds some insight into effectiveness. Their One Shot Stop index, compiled from LEO shootings, shows little difference between the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP, but, with a decided advantage to the .357 Mag/125gr. Some of this country's top and elite forces continue to favor the 9mm Parabellum.

Doesn't matter much. More important by far is the ability to hit the target regardless of choice of caliber or firearm.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

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Now, put those velocities and bullet weights on the Taylor Knockdown chart and we see a very different result that favors heavier bullets.

Marshall Sanow Index is another resource that sheds some insight into effectiveness. Their One Shot Stop index, compiled from LEO shootings, shows little difference between the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP, but, with a decided advantage to the .357 Mag/125gr. Some of this country's top and elite forces continue to favor the 9mm Parabellum.

Doesn't matter much. More important by far is the ability to hit the target regardless of choice of caliber or firearm.[/quote]

I carry 165gr in my Glock and 230gr in my 1911.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

I love this thread....Wiersay....the three cartridges you originally mentioned are one and the same mate.

Now this, I believe, was before Chambered was invited by a bloke called Kimber to go on welfare while Bushy collected Social Security for being independently wealthy, or woz that 'cause the .45 was a + & + and similar to 40 something or other made in the Province of Short and Weak....wherever that may be. I still can't work out where the Obstetrician (OB?) fits into all this.

I'm sooooo confused. Nuts Bonk Nuts Bonk Cheers

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

Would someone please send Vince a "play book" so he can keep up? I would, but I'm fresh out at the moment... Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: 9mm's Reply with quote

I just love the subject of 9mm v whatever!!!!
I’ll first state that I agree that today’s ammo is far superior to yesteryears......but.....

Out of all the testing that has been done on the issue I believe the 1989 FBI tests to be the best at understanding the issue.
Two key issues were finally realized. First was the conclusion they made that said kinetic energy isn’t a dependable method of comparing ammo.
It amazes me as to the fact no one discusses this.
The second deals with the wound cavity that’s created. It was once believed that the temporary cavity was the key to incapacitation. Turns out that the elasticity factor of human tissue played a bigger role than originally thought. Once the temporary cavity returns to normal size there is no permanent damage like once thought.
All of the terminal ballistics information I’ve read in regards to the permanent wound cavity have concluded bigger holes will do a better job at immediate incapacitation.

I don’t think this is an argument that will ever be won by either side nor am I trying to change some ones mind on the issue. I just wish people would understand that the data they show us are just numbers on paper!!!
IMO Barnes Bullets has done the best job at explaining energy with the 2 rams going at it head to head!!!

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