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Hodgdon LVR Powder
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

I was over at hodgdon's web site and came across this new powder (leveRevolution) for the 30/30 win, I have always used 3031 behind 170gr bullet which was good for around 2000fps at the muzzle. I see LVR at just a tad over 2300fps with less chamber pressure!! Smile I'm hoping this isn't a misprint, has anyone here tried this powder in their 30/30 yet?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

I have just got the Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester magazine with the new loads and the Leverevolution loads are really good for the lever actions. There aren't any misprints that I have come across.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, I also checked out a few sites and they are all praising this powder. Even hodgdons web site says this powder is specifically designed for certain lever action calibers like 25-35 to the 35 remington.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Hm...wonder who makes this powder? I know that Hogdon get a number of their powders from an Aussie manufacturer, so hopefully it will be an Aussie powder which will be good for me. Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Omni,
email Hodgdon and they will send you some load data that is not listed yet.
I would post it but I can't find it. DA.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

jeh7mmmag

I sent them an e-mail yesterday and I received a reply with this link.

LVR Powder Data

From looking at the data, I beleive this powder is going to be a best seller for the lever actions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

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Hm...wonder who makes this powder? I know that Hogdon get a number of their powders from an Aussie manufacturer, so hopefully it will be an Aussie powder which will be good for me. Very Happy Very Happy

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Vince, from what I gather, it was a joint venture between Hodgdon and Hornady. They specifically wanted to make a new powder to improve ballistics in lever actions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Thanks, I will keep up with it now.
I would bet it is being made by ADI . JMO

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

From another forum. Not my words, just some comments on the new Hodgdon powders.

Notice that announcement also said this:
According to Hodgdon's Chris Hodgdon, Superformance and Leverevolution powders essentially duplicate the proprietary blends currently being used by Hornady, and previously unavailable to handloaders.

The key words there "are essentially duplicate the proprietary blends". Essentially duplicate doesn't mean it's the same stuff and proprietary means that they are not allowed to copy it exactly.
I called Hornady today and they aren't real happy about what Hodgdon is doing. First it's not an exact copy of Hornady's powder. Second he said it will raise the velocity but wont get nearly the velocity they get with their blended proprietary powder, and third their powder is something different then what I reported before what blended meant and I don't care to elaborate on it.

So maybe it's not a joint venture between the two companies.!

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Hornady is a tough company to deal with. They have an arrogant and elitist attitude for sure.
FWIW, Hodgdon doesn't make smokeless powder, they distribute it. All their powder is made in Canada by General Dynamics, in Australia by Australian Defense Industries (ADI) , or Europe by Norma and Lapua. The increase in velocity is about 100-300fps at the muzzle depending on the bullet.

So Vince and jeh7mmmag was right.

I'm still heading to the smith shop tomorrow and see if he has any, I will than load some up and see how it does.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

St Johns in Florida used to make some powders for Hodgdon also??

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

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... to make a new powder to improve ballistics in lever actions.

I wonder what is the technical reason for the alleged improvement?
I mean why just Lever Actions?
I thought a chamber in Lever action would be the same as a chamber in bolt/break action.

Ballistic of a projectile is a function of its weight, velocity and physical characteristic of the projectile, NOT the action.
Okay given that some action are more rigid than the other, but the rigidity would change the accuracy, not "ballistic" would it?

So why the claim made that it would improve "Ballistic"? is this a misleading hype by Hodgon?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

I don't think there is anything misleading there Gelan...Companies in the US simply can't afford to do that in these litigation crazy days.

I believe that you can manufacture (read tailor) a powder to a given set of conditions. In a lever gun, the things to consider are the action and its strength, case shape and capacity, bullet weight, bullet shape (flat nose), and average barrel length. If they tailor a powder to provide a pressure peak at a particular moment, and curve of a particular size and duration, from an appropriate quantity (charge) of powder, taking into account all the relevant considerations, then I believe that a powder such as LVR is the end result.

What effect this has on ballistics is something that only exhaustive testing will show. But at the end of the day a bullet's performance is directly tied to the performance of the powder that drives it down the barrel and how, when and how much pressure/force it delivers to said bullet/projectile.

As for the points bought up by OV1 concerning Hornady and Hogdon... don't know, but I suppose like all companies they guard their Corporate/Industrial Data and Intellectual Property very closely.

The best test of the suitability of LVR is going to come from the end users...those that decide to try it in their lever guns.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

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I don't think there is anything misleading there Gelan...Companies in the US simply can't afford to do that in these litigation crazy days.

I believe that you can manufacture (read tailor) a powder to a given set of conditions. In a lever gun, the things to consider are the action and its strength, case shape and capacity, bullet weight, bullet shape (flat nose), and average barrel length. If they tailor a powder to provide a pressure peak at a particular moment, and curve of a particular size and duration, from an appropriate quantity (charge) of powder, taking into account all the relevant considerations, then I believe that a powder such as LVR is the end result.

What effect this has on ballistics is something that only exhaustive testing will show. But at the end of the day a bullet's performance is directly tied to the performance of the powder that drives it down the barrel and how, when and how much pressure/force it delivers to said bullet/projectile.

As for the points bought up by OV1 concerning Hornady and Hogdon... don't know, but I suppose like all companies they guard their Corporate/Industrial Data and Intellectual Property very closely.

The best test of the suitability of LVR is going to come from the end users...those that decide to try it in their lever guns.

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You've explained it exactly Vince. If you look around a bit you'll find some loads will generate higher velocities at lower pressures for the reasons that you have already stated AND the exact opposite also. Chimo Ron
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Thanks Ron.

Something I meant to mention Gelan is , you have done something similar with your BLOOMPH...sorry mate, .300 Whisper. Although you didn't manufacture the powder, you did select a powder that best suited the conditions you wanted with your sub-sonic loads. I for one am amazed at what you have done as I have always believed that an "underload" is almost as bad as an overload, yet you have shown that with the right research and dveleopment, this is not the case mate. And you can head shoot rabbits with a 45.70 sub sonic without turning the whole rabbit in red mist and its still good for the table. Very Happy Very Happy Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Hodgdon LVR Powder Reply with quote

Stopped at the local smith and will have 2lbs on Wednesday, now to gather up my 30/30 brass and get them ready. If the weather cooperates this weekend I will head to the range and report back.

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