When mankind is gone the rest will be gone also!!!

Be that as it may.....its still really nice to see two very different kinds of animals respecting and enjoying one anothers company, in harmony..... like the fawn and the puppy dawg.

Cheers, Vince

You are correct Vince.........

Yes we humans have done a lot of damage to mother nature in some areas, but how many of us that complain about dams, forests cut down etc., refuse to use the power supplied to our homes or live in the homes built from the forests harvested. How many don't use their furnace in winter but sit there and freeze? Every one in the human race is guilty. It's one thing to complain about how we have destroyed or are destroying the world we live in, it's another to show your way or a better way by example. I could go on but I won't.

vint2 I agree, God put everything on this earth for humans to use.

Crackshot wrote:

Y The original Americans (indians) lived life the way it should be lived, in harmony WITH nature. Not trying to control it or be its STEWARD. They did great until white folk came along and messed them up.

We can only guess what this continent would be like in 2007 if the white man had not shown up to this day.

Crackshot...You are not wrong in everything that you have said so far except about the Native Americans. The closest that they could come to living in "harmony with nature" was because they were nature and there wasn't very many of them and they were scattered all over the place in small bands, otherwise they would have been in the same boat then as we are now. They are not any different then "white men" when it comes to nature or anything else...Greedy, sinful, egotistical, treacherous and any other name or title you can think of for "white men" applied to them also (last time I checked they [Indians] were human too). Two examples come to mind here. The plains Indians would stampede the buffalo herds over cliffs then take only what they needed and let the rest rot. Example two (and this one is still being practiced): The Northwest Indians were setting nets completely across rivers to get all the migrating salmon. When the "white man" said that had to stop the tribes of the Northwest fought it tooth and nail claiming that it was a tradition. They won 3/4 of it. They set their nets leaving 1/4 of the river open for migrating salmon. They get to choose what 1/4 of the river will be left open.

Just for the record and so we don't get the wrong idea about [that pesky] Bushmaster. I am not against the Indians of this country. Infact I think "white man" gave them a raw deal. Also my Daughter-in-law and my favorite Grand Daughter are of the Stillaguamish Tribe in Northwest Washington.

Happy Fourth of July. Let the fireworks begin...

Be that as it may Bushy, This planet would run fine if mankind(indians included) were not on it, Thats the nature of NATURE. It wont all stop if we are gone! Like I said before, It ran fine before we were here it will do the same with out us.

Oh absolutely...I agree. Long after we are gone and forgotten...

Oh and as far as the indians go they were smart enough to know that they did not get along and did stay out of each others way as best as possible.....except when they needed more horses or women. But they did not darn near wipe the buffalo out in less that a decade. Whites did that! And as far as I'm concerned, driving a few hundred over a cliff is a small price to pay to make sure my family servived. And besides worms, buzzards, coyotes and flies have to eat as well! AND NO I DO NOT ADVOCATE WASTE! They had to do with what they had, And for hundreds of years they did not know a RIFLE exsisted. YES they had bow and arrows, but realy...how good were there bows? And just how close do you want to be to a large herd of tempermental beasts do you want to be if your little arrow ticks one of them off??

But they didn't have horses until the White man or was it the Spanish came to this continent? They were on foot where they not?

true about the horses, Spanish introduced them, untrue about the few scattered bands, more and more evidence is surfacing that there were many many more people in both North and South America than previously believed by Euro-American archaeoligists and anthropologists, and in terms of taking what they needed and leaving the rest to rot, if you look at Plains Indians way of life prior to european incursion, there wasn't much of a buffalo that didn't get used.

Philip Sheridan, a wonderful American with cities and counties named after him today, encouraged the trainloads of easterners to travel as far as the rail line would carry them and kill off buffalo to leave them to rot. His plan was that if he wiped out the buffalo, he'd wipe out the Plains Indians because they were so dependent upon the buffalo. Estimations for the time period --I may have the actual years wrong,so I'll say approximately---1866--1881, figure that Indians in the US killed 375,000 buffalo, whites killed over 3 million. I recall seeing a photo of a man standing beside a stack of buffalo skulls during that era that is about two stories high and maybe a quarter of a mile long. They were all wasted.

I agree with that "pesky" Bushmaster that there are good and bad people in any culture, but cultures that are based on sharing, offering the best you have to your guests and gratitude for what nature provides you generally fosters a lot less personal greed than other cultures do. That way of life was the way of most north american Indian groups and several other indigenous groups around the world.

vint2 wrote:

When mankind is gone the rest will be gone also!!!

No sir I do believe that is incorrect.
for life will flourish without us much more and balance will be restored as it once was before.
common sense should tell ya that.

1895ss wrote:

Crackshot wrote: Y The original Americans (indians) lived life the way it should be lived, in harmony WITH nature. Not trying to control it or be its STEWARD. They did great until white folk came along and messed them up. We can only guess what this continent would be like in 2007 if the white man had not shown up to this day.

looking to Tracker with that look only my eyes have.
what is an original indian??

Crackshot: I'm going to try and be as nice as I can on this one. Have you read the history that has been pieced together on how the indians lived in the americans before the major wave of white man showed up. There is evidence of the natives changing the environment to meet their needs.

Yes we (my mother's pilgram side) have messed things up but who is to say what the country would look like if we didn't come over.

rdncktink wrote:

Crackshot: I'm going to try and be as nice as I can on this one. Have you read the history that has been pieced together on how the indians lived in the americans before the major wave of white man showed up. There is evidence of the natives changing the environment to meet their needs. Yes we (my mother's pilgram side) have messed things up but who is to say what the country would look like if we didn't come over.

who would say what the country would look like if ya'll didnt come over. how about the indians from the oral traditions that have been past down for centuries and centuries and centuries>?
they changed the enviroment how to meet their needs?
they worked with the enviroment, confused on how they changed it.

not sure if they created greenhouse affect from industralization, or the strip mining, or putting tons of acid rain, or mercury in the waters or uranium.

know what never mind. once again we have strayed from the hunting side of things.

It may all have been destroyed by prairie and forest fires as well, who knows? No one .........