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Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer'S
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
Sorry to hear your giving up on those little 40gr bullets. I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in on the subject. If you really like the bullet you should try seating it deeper and not worry about trying to touch the lands. The reason I say this is because I currently have 2 rifles that will not shot their best until I set the bullet .030 and .035 off the lands. I've also had one in the past that worked it's best .040 off the lands. Some people refer to this as jumping the bullet. After doing some measuring and eyeballing, especially with bullets light for the caliber such as yours I have found very little of the bullets base is in the case neck. I feel this leads to inconsistent ignition of the powder charge. If you do give this a try I would really be interested in your results.

I think that at some point I'll get back to the 40's, but for now I think heavier bullets and a more traditional approach are in order. Once I have a more complete powder inventory I'll get them to work.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

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hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

The barrel had shown signs of acceptance of the 40's, I used factory ammo in it with decent results. I was obsessed with velocity at one point, the thought of a 40 grainer at > 4100 fps had me mesmerized.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

hunterjoe21 wrote:
1895ss wrote:
hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

The barrel had shown signs of acceptance of the 40's, I used factory ammo in it with decent results. I was obsessed with velocity at one point, the thought of a 40 grainer at > 4100 fps had me mesmerized.

If you had good results with factory ammo then you should be able to find a reload that works as good or better. It may take some time and a lot of experimenting but it will come. That's what makes reloading fun though isn't it?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

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hunterjoe21 wrote:
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hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

The barrel had shown signs of acceptance of the 40's, I used factory ammo in it with decent results. I was obsessed with velocity at one point, the thought of a 40 grainer at > 4100 fps had me mesmerized.

If you had good results with factory ammo then you should be able to find a reload that works as good or better. It may take some time and a lot of experimenting but it will come. That's what makes reloading fun though isn't it?

Exactly my point, But for now I need a load to kill stuff with....the 50's are showing some promise....
I dont wanna go to 55's unless I need to....
I just finished 55 gr loads for my .243, why would I want to loose 500 fps and shoot them from a .22-250?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

1895ss wrote:
hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

twist rates always confuse me anyway...

Light bullets like slow twist....


Heavy bullets don't...


Almost as confusing as powder burn charts.......

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

1895ss wrote:
hunterjoe21, depending on your 22-250's rate of twist, it may not be able to stabilize a light bullet like the 40 gr anyway. I know my 22-250 in a 788 remington will not stabilize anything lighter then a 50-52 gr bullet.

twist rates always confuse me anyway...

Light bullets like slow twist.... OR DO THEY?


Heavy bullets don't... THEY MIGHT


Almost as confusing as powder burn charts.......
Someone else let me know what loads they developed.................

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullet Manufacturer's load data vs. Powder Manufacturer' Reply with quote

This is a list of alleged Optimum Twist Rates for individual bullets. It will either confuse you more or make things a little clearer. I don't know. Laughing
Read it in three Columns per the following headings:
Bullet Diameter In Inches - Bullet Length In Inches - Optimal Twist Rate

.140 ***** 0.139 to 0.144 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.145 to 0.150 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.151 to 0.156 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.157 to 0.164 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.165 to 0.172 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.173 to 0.180 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.181 to 0.190 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.191 to 0.201 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.202 to 0.213 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.214 to 0.227 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.228 to 0.243 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.244 to 0.261 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.262 to 0.282 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.283 to 0.306 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.307 to 0.336 *********** 1 in 11

.172 ***** 0.209 to 0.217 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.218 to 0.226 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.227 to 0.236 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.237 to 0.247 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.248 to 0.259 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.260 to 0.273 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.274 to 0.287 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.288 to 0.304 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.305 to 0.322 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.323 to 0.343 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.344 to 0.367 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.368 to 0.394 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.395 to 0.426 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.427 to 0.463 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.464 to 0.507 *********** 1 in 11

.196 ***** 0.272 to 0.282 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.283 to 0.294 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.295 to 0.307 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.308 to 0.321 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.322 to 0.337 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.338 to 0.354 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.355 to 0.373 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.374 to 0.395 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.396 to 0.419 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.420 to 0.446 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.447 to 0.476 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.477 to 0.512 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.513 to 0.553 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.554 to 0.601 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.602 to 0.658 *********** 1 in 11

.222 ***** 0.348 to 0.362 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.363 to 0.377 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.378 to 0.394 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.395 to 0.412 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.413 to 0.432 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.433 to 0.454 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.455 to 0.479 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.480 to 0.506 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.507 to 0.537 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.538 to 0.572 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.573 to 0.611 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.612 to 0.657 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.658 to 0.709 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.710 to 0.771 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.772 to 0.844 *********** 1 in 11

.223 ***** 0.352 to 0.365 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.366 to 0.380 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.381 to 0.397 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.398 to 0.416 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.417 to 0.436 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.437 to 0.459 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.460 to 0.483 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.484 to 0.511 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.512 to 0.542 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.543 to 0.577 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.578 to 0.617 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.618 to 0.663 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.664 to 0.716 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.717 to 0.778 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.779 to 0.852 *********** 1 in 11

.224 ***** 0.355 to 0.368 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.369 to 0.384 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.385 to 0.401 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.402 to 0.420 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.421 to 0.440 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.441 to 0.463 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.464 to 0.488 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.489 to 0.516 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.517 to 0.547 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.548 to 0.582 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.583 to 0.622 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.623 to 0.669 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.670 to 0.722 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.723 to 0.785 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.786 to 0.860 *********** 1 in 11

.227 ***** 0.364 to 0.378 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.379 to 0.394 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.395 to 0.412 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.413 to 0.431 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.432 to 0.452 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.453 to 0.475 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.476 to 0.501 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.502 to 0.530 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.531 to 0.562 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.563 to 0.598 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.599 to 0.639 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.640 to 0.687 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.688 to 0.742 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.743 to 0.806 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.807 to 0.883 *********** 1 in 11

.228 ***** 0.367 to 0.381 *********** 1 in 25
********* 0.382 to 0.398 *********** 1 in 24
********* 0.399 to 0.415 *********** 1 in 23
********* 0.416 to 0.435 *********** 1 in 22
********* 0.436 to 0.456 *********** 1 in 21
********* 0.457 to 0.479 *********** 1 in 20
********* 0.480 to 0.505 *********** 1 in 19
********* 0.506 to 0.534 *********** 1 in 18
********* 0.535 to 0.567 *********** 1 in 17
********* 0.568 to 0.603 *********** 1 in 16
********* 0.604 to 0.645 *********** 1 in 15
********* 0.646 to 0.693 *********** 1 in 14
********* 0.694 to 0.748 *********** 1 in 13
********* 0.749 to 0.813 *********** 1 in 12
********* 0.814 to 0.891 *********** 1 in 11

Now all I gotta do is find something that does the same with bullet weights instead of measurements. Confused

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