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bigd Rookie Member
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: central ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Muzzle loaders |
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Can you still order muzzle loaders in 38-40 cal ?
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 2965 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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Welcome to the HuntingNut. I haven't seen any offered in standard production ( That I no of ) maybe one of our members can help ya better again welcome to the site.
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bigd Rookie Member
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: central ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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I'm taking a Gunsmithing Course, and the reason I asked, the person who wrote the study manual said that the 38-40 was the best all around deer round for muzzleloaders. I've never heard of it myself. Thought maybe I could get some input. I could probably look it up Gun Parts Corporation Catalog I guess. Thanks anyway
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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Dixie Gun Works has barrels and at least one rifle for .40 cal muzzleloading. The rifle is a target model for conical bullets.
Looking in my old (1975) Lyman Black Powder Handbook I see that a .40 caliber round ball only weighs 92 grains. You can get just over 1000 ftlbs of energy at the muzzle with the top loads but it would shed it fast. For some reason they don't show the 100 yard energy for the .40 but for a .45 they show loads getting 1000-1100 ftlbs at the muzzle dropping to 330-350 ftlbs at 100 yards.
Guessing a ballistic coefficient of 0.06 (a little generous, based on the BCs givien for .350" and .440" round balls) with a muzzle velocity of 2300 ft/sec I ran it through PointBlank and got a 100 yard energy of 309 ftlbs. It would seem to me to be a bit light for deer at that distance.
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bigd Rookie Member
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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Ummmm... Are you talking about a .38 or .40 caliber muzzleloader or the .38-40 black powder cartridge?
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bigd Rookie Member
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terry264 Member
Joined: Apr 02, 2005 Posts: 85 Location: Eastern-North Central West Virginia
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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yeah,, 38-40 cartridge case w/black powder.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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The .38-40 cartridge uses a .40 caliber bullet (I've read why they called it a ".38" but honestly don't remember. Bore diameter instead of groove dia?) and is ballistically about the same as a .40 S&W. With Cowboy Action shooting it has seen some increase in popularity. Again, I'd think it would be a bit light for deer.
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roundball Member
Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 29 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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If its a cartridge, wouldn't it be a 'breechloader' and therefore not allowed in ML seasons?
Also, it may be below many state caliber minimums...check regs to be sure.
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d_hoffman Super Member
Joined: Feb 13, 2007 Posts: 696 Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Muzzle loaders |
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You can't use any muzzle loader pistols in ohio but you can hunt with any muzzle loader rifle .38 cal or larger. Black powder pistols are not concidered muzzle loaders so no, they can't be used during muzzle loader season. You can use pistols with black powder cartridges .357 or larger during regular gun season.
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