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Handloading to be Out-Lawed?
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Eric,

My wife is just as much of a political junky as I. She was a tie-died hippy when I married her, but she came over to my side after listening to all the facts, from both sides of the fence.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Judy pretty much agrees with me on everything Cary, but has a real hard time going against her upbringing of always supporting the [jackass] side.

She has a hard time being vocal at lunches with the staff every day.
I on the other hand, I should have been a Teacher, so I could Hannitize the staff at lunch breaks. Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

log into nssf.org and see that they already had this bill stopped which was going to be introduced in 20 states. They are taking care of us. I also figure that NRA and GOA also had some input in this.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Please tell me on which page the National Shooting Sports Foundation says that they have defeated all legislation regarding ammunition serialization.

First, thanks for alerting me to this organization I have read their web site all will support them as I might, both financially and in any other way they deem possible.

But, back to the point I could not find anything that indicated they had defeated this type of legislation in all states. We (they and others) have been successful in some states, but the fight is not over in South Carolina as far as I know, and I am sure that it will come up in other states.

From all I've read it seems that the people that are pushing these bills, aside from the normal pencil necked, bonehead, liberal scum, (oh, I could go on and on and on, but I will stop there) is the guy who is selling the equipment that can laser etch the ammunition. So he can sell these to anyone for several million dollars each, is he biased, maybe.

I am not finding fault with anyone here, you're on this site and you love your Second Amendment Rights, you are way cool in my book. But, there are more of them than us out there who do not enjoy our pursuits, and a lot that couldn't be happier to take those rights away, not that they are all liberal boneheads, but they will go they way the winds blow when crunch time comes.

It seems the most important thing today to the vast majority of people is to be PC (politically Correct) We need to talk to and involve everyone we can about our Rights, try to get them involve, take a kid shooting, not your own, you already do that. Talk about the history of the USA and how we must maintain all of our rights as described in the Constitution.

History has shown the Republics (that's what we are) over time trend to Democracy, than to Anarchy, and finally to Socialism, or Communism. Read its out there. Here's a good description of what's going on

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYp9YJZqTI

Each of us that pursue hunting, shooting, home defense, or any other
activity that involve firearms must be aware and willing to fight the good fight, I think Teddy Roosevelt said that , he loved guns too.

Please do not be angry with me but I want my great grand-kids and even further done the line to enjoy all the rights we have. But, I am concerned that they way our government is heading the only right that will remain is to pay taxes to make sure that the people who have never gotten up off their a---es to accomplish anything have as much as those of us who have worked hard to be where we are.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Lester, totally off topic here but... Are you going to the Charlotte, NC gun show this weekend? I don't know how close you are to there.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

I just told a friend of mine on the phone that I think we better patronize every gun show we can find and get plenty of stock!! We might just need it!! I am currently in the market for a good auto handgun in 380 or 40 cal.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

lesterg 3, from their home page, green menu bar at top far right "legislative action center", next page toward bottom is box of "fast facts" , bullet serialization is listed there. It explains the bill first then toward the bottom of it all there is the notice of what happened to the bill so far. nssf.org is the home page.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

This is a copy of what the nssf.org sent to me a while back:


November 26, 2008
Special Edition


Update on Bullet Serialization

During the past week the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) -- the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry -- has received inquires concerning state legislation that would require the serialization of ammunition on a mass production basis.

Bullet serialization -- the process by which each individual round of ammunition is identified and marked with a laser engraved serial number -- is not feasible from a practical standpoint and any legislation mandating such action could rightfully be considered a de facto ban on ammunition.

While legislation has been introduced in more than 20 states, NSSF has successfully defeated all of these bills. NSSF will continue to closely monitor state or federal legislation to require bullet serialization and will continue to issue Legislative Alerts to industry members and Second Amendment advocates in those states when bills are introduced or scheduled for a hearing or vote.

Demonstrating the effectiveness of the NSSF Legislative Alert system, several bullet serialization bill sponsors withdrew their bills immediately following public outcry stemming from the NSSF alerts -- in the case of Kentucky, this was within 48 hours of the bill's introduction.

To learn more about bullet serialization, please visit the NSSF Media Resources page.

To track bullet serialization legislation, and other legislation in your state, please visit the NSSF Legislative Action Center page.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for the firearms industry, has sent you this message. Legislative action alerts and updates are made possible through the generous support NSSF receives from its members. Join NSSF in always shooting for more. Visit www.membershipmeansbusiness.org.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Terry264,

As I read the page indicated they have not stopped the Bills in all states. So maybe we are reading different web pages?

States where they have been successful per NSSF:

Legislative Successes
Bullet serialization legislation has been defeated in the following states:
• California
• Connecticut
• Hawaii
• Illinois
• Kentucky
• Maryland
• Mississippi
• Tennessee


States where Bills are still outstanding per NSSF:

Current Threats
NSSF has identified increased anti-gun movement at the state level nationwide, most notably seen in legislation to require bullet serialization in:
• Arizona
• Indiana
• Missouri
• New York
• Pennsylvania
• Rhode Island
• South Carolina
• Washington

I think what they are doing is great and of course it appears they are doing a great job at it. Hallelujah for them and us, but the battle is not over, not by a 1000 yard long shot.

The real battle is only beginning in January. BO is anti-gun and will do everything in his power to take our guns away.

A point I am trying to make is that organizations such as the NSSF, NRA, and Gun owners of America need our help too. The vast majority of people will look at these organization and see that they have a vested interest in keeping the firearms industry as it is now.

We, individuals who speak out, by contacting our state and federal Senators, and Congressmen (and supporting NSSF, NRA, GOA and any other organization) is I believe more effective.

I have even personally talked with SC Senators DeMint, and Graham, and SC Congressman Spratt about the most effective way to communicate their constituencies desires and they have said the they hear from Lobbyists all day long, but they really want to hear the voters.

The other point I was trying to make, is that with the inter-net expressing your/our/my opinion is sooo easy.

Get their email addresses and put them in your address book a copy them all on a simple email,

"Hey Elected Official, This bill is really P---ING me off. Oh by the way, When is the next election?

Yours truly " insert name here"


I will not apologize for my belief on what should be done to protect not only our Second Amendment Rights, but all of our Rights.

Do you really think that the Founding Fathers wanted us to have guns only so we could hunt and protect the homestead, if so please read the Federalist Papers, here's a link www.foundingfathers.in...istpapers/

Fight now, rest later!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

"Handloading to be Out-Lawed?"

If our political "liberals" get their way, yes.

Those of us who voted Democrat to get some "change" last month have assured we will get it. To bad things are going to get worse! New anti-gun laws in the name of "a few common sense gun laws to save the childen" of course, WILL be on their agenda. Right after they save our economy by bailing out every failing business and union, every state and city that can't generate enough income because we really don't want them around.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

This is my first post since joining.
In Missouri this was pre-filed before the legislative session began. It was introduced last year, but didn't make it out of committee. Not to be political, but it was introduced by a State Senator from the St. Louis area and both chambers are controlled by the opposing political party. The folks I have talked to do not give much better chance this year, however if it gets attached to something that is favored it is possible it could slip through.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Welcome to our group Grizz. I think you'll find this group entertaining and dare I say able to engage in educated and/or spirited conversation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

hope for the best prepare for the worse


The Presidency has a way of moderating those that occupy the White House. The last thing Obama needs is 60 million pissed off gun owners howling for his hide.

I expect some type of proposals from BO that will affect ammo and/or firearms much a long the line of Clinton's actions. However with a Dem laden House and Senate, the door is opened further for other actions.

Bottom line: read once again the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

I totally agree with HANDLOADER on this one.

Our newest elected president has got alot of problems getting handed to him by predicessors. Both sides. are equally at fault here. Basically what happens is that the folks with the means find ways to LEGALLY STEAL OUR MONEY!!!!! Like taxation for instance! If I am not mistaken I think there was HUGE public response over a specific tax in the area of BOSTON, MA. Now we keep allowing for this to happen again, instead of making governement departments ACCOUNTABLE for ordering products they know are bad and "letting" the maker/vendor "fix" them before delivery. WRONG!!!! Right the first time or no deal!!!!! That is how it is for me when I go to work it better be right or I get warned to the point they send me out the door doing the "Pershing shuffle" our building is on Pershing Dr. in Omaha yeah it's named for Gen Pershing. I am not a big supporter of the Patriot Act for the simple reason some one who is politically active today can be tomorrow's terrorist. It is a fine line that we are walking with this. While I do support efforts to curtail threats to us and anyone else for that matter.
I just think that there should be enough evidence to make the case on an individual basis here domestically. Truthfully I do not care what someone has to do in another land to protect themselves or thier compariots. BAD THINGS happen. Now if I was the one having the bad things happen to me then I would be the first one to stand in line to complain.

I am politically active here in Iowa and also politically active for everyone else in this country as well with the work I am doing with IowaCarry.ORG in Des Moines. In that we are trying to get our CCW permits uniformly issued throughout the state in a "shall issue" format instead of a "may issue" format, and also working to see that there is reciprocity with other states' permits as well. That is where we are working for everyone else in this country. So now what happens when we are deemed a terrorist organization because of the work do in trying to get this done legally within the system of government we have in our Democratic Republic? We do not have a true Democracy in the fact we elect others to vite for us in proxy. I will tell you what will happen: we will all be guilty of crimes against the state and the common well being. When what are doing is actually for: the "Common Good" for everyone to be able to defend themselves and those around them and this country as well.

Wow!!!! Sorry I guess I got a little windy there! But you can see where this goes in a heartbeat if you are not always vigilant. I do hope Pres.-Elect Obama can get some things done but we ALL(every voter) need to be watchful of just what those things are? And folks pay attention to the federal judge nominees. They are the ones who WILL make or break things. Elected officials change every so often, but federal judges are there for a LIFE TIME AND WHAT THEY DECIDE CAN LAST MULTIPLE LIFETIMES!!!!!
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