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Crow Rookie Member


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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: survival reloading |
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There is a guy on youtube his user name is wildernessoutfitters and has some videos on reloading in the field for survival. Remember its for survival not anything else.
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Crow Rookie Member


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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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Also check out his survival stuff it is very good info
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ElyBoy Super Member


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 1541 Location: Forest Lake Minnesota
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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If I'm going to take extra gear into the woods, I will just add an extra box of ammo instead of getting complicated about it.
If I figure that its going to rain, I don't need to learn how to make a raincoat in the woods, I will just pack one in.
Too much deep thinking going on around here these days.
Lets see
Masking tape to mark my reloads
Extra ammo for woods travel
Bring raincoat.
Don't need to learn how to make a Birchbark Canoe, because I will bring my own!!
Boy, do I make things simple or what!!!!
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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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Crow...Do you have a link for that?
I'm kinda in agreement with Elyboy on this though I'm not as sutle as he is (his mother never taught him tact, but we live with it  ). I would like to see the youtube presentation before I step into this.
But Crow...Think about it. You would not only have to take a handpress and dies you would have to take components including bullets, primers and powder. Of which two of these will need special packaging and handling. Why not use the extra room in your pack to take extra pre prepared ammnution...
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TRBLSHTR Super Member


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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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I would be more inclined to think like TRBLSHTR. It would make more sense. Except again. In a situation where you need to be carrying extra survival ammunition. What makes you think you will be able to return to that hiden location to resupply?
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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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I'm a member of www.missouricarry.com and every once in a while (more often of late) they get into a discussion of "what if" SHTF scenarios. A lotof them have loaded thousands of rounds for just that possibility. To me "SHTF" means I have to leave my home and fight. I just can't see me carrying thousands of ammunition and no food. This idea of taking reloading equipment with me strikes me as the same dumb idea.
And yes TRBLSHTR. You are absolutely correct. And anything else they might have on their bodies that I might need...
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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Considering loaded ammunition will always weight less then unloaded ammunition do to the extra packaging and the weight of the reloading supplies I do not see the point.
It is not the Wild West where you can go to town buy reloading supplies and reload while your sitting down watching your cattle. With a old Lyman 310 Reloading tool.
Dimitri
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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My grandfather like many of my relatives on that side of the family fought the German Occupation, started out with nothing more then a handful of rounds of ammunition and their stolen Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 1903/14 Infantry Rifles that was supposed to be turned in when the Greek Government surrendered to the Germans.
TRBLSHTR and Bushy are right. No fancy reloading, no fancy rifles, but instead used what they could get, ie German weapons till British and American supplies started to come through later in the war. Later in the Civil War he was armed with British and American supplies throughout but the Communists hiding in the mountains picked up as much as they could from the National Government forces.
Last thing I'd want if facing the enemy is to worry about policing my brass or using a brass catcher that can get full and cause the rifle to jam. But that is just me.
Dimitri
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Vince Site Admin


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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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I looked at this guys video and it is all good stuff to know. However, there is no way I would be carrying all the items he does. I would need a little trailer to pull behind me. His basic principles are good, but I think really unnecessary in 99 out of a hundred situations.
What Troubles says makes sense...cache the items you think you may need, in fact it is surprising how many Armies still use the principle of caching. Another option is to have a secure base where you can store items that you will only need on an irregular basis.
In a survival situation you will use any and every means you can to survive, and it is surprising just what you will do, and eat, when necessary....and reloading ammunition sorta doesn't seem to fit into that scenario. But then again , if you have the stuff cached...
If the survival situation involved an enemy...then his stores become fair game as far as I am concerned. 'Mitri makes a very good argument with his story...one that cannot be argued or discared...it is a fact of history.
If the survival situation is one where you are lost and it appears that you will need to fend for yourself for sometime, then what ammunition you have with you becomes precious and not to be wasted.
Carry sufficient ammunition for your needs + a reserve and you shouldn't have any dramas. And if you run outa ammo in a survival situation, then you better learn to make snares, a bow and arrow, spear or blowgun and darts real quick, or you'll get terribly hungry.
And remember...the less you eat, the weaker you get. The weaker you get, the less you can carry.
Cheers, Vince
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wiersy111 Super Member


Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 2390 Location: Central Minnesota
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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Wow I don't know where to start here people have become so used to the creature comforts and way to much time to think. If you were in a life and death situation fending for yourself the added wieght of the reloading supplies just doesn't pass the comon sense test it is far lighter to carry the loaded ammo then to carry the components and the equipment to load. That space would be better served carrying food or actual neccesities. I liked how Vince closed "the less you eat , the weaked you get. The weaker you get the less you carry. That makes a lot of sence to me.
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Crow Rookie Member


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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:49 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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www.youtube.com/watch?...annel_page Here is your link but like I say this is pretty interesting and you should check out his other vids because he has great info
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Crow Rookie Member


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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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Now truth be told in a survival situation, not a defend your self from crazy invaders situation, a .22 or similar would get you by for a long time or even a .32 musket if your good with it.
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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: Re: survival reloading |
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O K Crow...I watched the video and here is my thoughts. Like'em or not.
He has not said anything that any reloader doesn't already know and can already do. If you are a novice at reloading I would stay away from this. Because if you don't have a working knowedge of reloading the instructions that come with the Lee Reloader kit isn't enough to load safe cartridges.
Besides if I was to even consider this plan I'd use the Lyman hand press (310 tool). No hammering needed...
Again it comes down to what has already been stated above. In the space he needed to carry all that equipment and components he could, very well, have been able to carry 150 to 200 rounds of live ammunition.
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