HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: RichardZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13126

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 162
BOT: 1
Total: 163
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Home
04: Forums
05: Forums
06: Photo Albums
07: Forums
08: Your Account
09: Home
10: Home
11: Forums
12: Photo Albums
13: Forums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Home
17: Photo Albums
18: Home
19: Forums
20: Home
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Home
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Home
29: Your Account
30: Forums
31: Photo Albums
32: Forums
33: Forums
34: Home
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Home
38: Your Account
39: Forums
40: Home
41: Photo Albums
42: Home
43: Photo Albums
44: Forums
45: Photo Albums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Home
50: Forums
51: Home
52: Home
53: Forums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Home
60: Forums
61: Photo Albums
62: Forums
63: Your Account
64: Forums
65: Home
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Your Account
74: Your Account
75: Photo Albums
76: Home
77: Forums
78: News
79: Forums
80: Forums
81: Your Account
82: Home
83: Home
84: Forums
85: Home
86: Your Account
87: Home
88: Photo Albums
89: Home
90: Forums
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Home
96: Forums
97: Your Account
98: Home
99: Forums
100: Your Account
101: Forums
102: Home
103: Forums
104: Forums
105: Home
106: Home
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Home
110: Forums
111: Home
112: Your Account
113: Forums
114: Forums
115: Photo Albums
116: Forums
117: Home
118: Forums
119: Home
120: Home
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Forums
127: Forums
128: Your Account
129: Forums
130: Photo Albums
131: Home
132: Forums
133: Your Account
134: Home
135: Home
136: Forums
137: Home
138: Photo Albums
139: Forums
140: Home
141: Home
142: Your Account
143: Forums
144: Home
145: Home
146: Forums
147: Home
148: Forums
149: Home
150: Home
151: Forums
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Home
155: Forums
156: Forums
157: Photo Albums
158: Your Account
159: Forums
160: Home
161: Your Account
162: Forums
  BOT:
01: Photo Albums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2451
  · Views: 820725
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 86
 

HORNADY New Dimension Dies
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I recently ordered a set of Hornady dies for the .375 H&H, as RCBS were backordered. I have no previous experience with Hornady dies. I have found that it takes an inordinate amount of force to resize cases with these dies. I just dont get it, I have formed .358 Win cases from cut down 30-06 casings with less effort. It seems like my press is close to being ripped out of the bench with the force required to resize brass. Anybody else have similar experience with Hornady dies? The sizing die is adjusted per instructions and cases are well lubed. I may have to switch to RCBS dies once available, definitely would if I shot the 375 in high volume.
Back to top
View user's profile
Grumulkin
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 16, 2007
Posts: 365
Location: Central Ohio

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

It shouldn't be that hard. I size 458 Lott cases with them easily with just a little Imperial Sizing Wax on them. I would call Hornady regarding your dies for advice or replacement or return them them to whoever you bought them from.

If RCBS dies aren't available, you might consider Redding dies if you can find them. I actually prefer Redding dies over both RCBS and Hornady.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
SingleShotLover
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 1005
Location: Illinois

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

Hmmm...something definitely isn't right. I use mostly Hornady dies and have never had that particular problem. About the closest was when using a set of small-base dies for a .280 auto for a friend, but it wasn't any more than just noticeable. That amount of force just doesn't make sense. Is the extra effort all the way through the process or is it only as the ram approaches full extension? I did run across a set of RCBS dies that were cut a bit short and adjusting them to factory instructions resulted in moving the shoulder way back. Not a big deal once I figured it out since I adjust my dies to just lightly "bump" the shoulder on once-fired brass anyway, but it was unusual to say the least.

_________________
If you can't hit it with one, you probably can't with two either!

The biggest problem with a closed mind is that it never seems to come with a closed mouth.

SSL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15704
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I can't imagine that the dies would be "out of dimension"...but stranger things have happened.

Something I would consider looking at is the chamber of the rifle. If it is over size them maybe it is stretching the base of the case a fair bit. Even with plenty of lube, it will still need a bit of effort to resize it back to factory specs.

Cheers, Vince

Edit:

Something I forgot about (CRAFT - I'll let you work that one out) is the different composition of various makes of brass and the different wall thickness. Would have a bearing on the amount of effort required to resize.

Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)


Last edited by Vince on Thu May 28, 2009 10:01 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I ran into a batch of Winchester 30-06 brass one time that required more effort than I was use to !!!
I don't think it was as bad as your describing though.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 5001
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I had switched from RCBS to Hornady some time back, not that I had any major problems with RCBS. Have you measured the cases before and after sizing? What lube are you using? Do you see any scratches or galling on the resized cases?

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
wncchester
Member
Member


Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 160

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

If your .375 has a max size chamber and the dies are cut to minimum size it can easily account for your "problem". Both the rifle and dies can easily be within normal SAAMI tolerances and still make it more difficult than normal to size cases.
Back to top
View user's profile
fnuser
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 914
Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I had that prob w a set of hornady 6.5x55's. I only load about 20 for a friend every September. I put some simichrome on a 28 guage mop and shined up the inside real good and that helped some, but yeah I've had similar experience w hornady dies I own over 20 sets of dies but only 2 of them are horns so my exposure is limited

_________________
N.R.A. Endowment Member
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
gelandangan
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006
Posts: 6396
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

Mass produced factory made stuff are made to a "tolerance" that fit the "curve" yours may be at the end of the curve.

Whenever I get a new die set, I lap them to ensure that the insides are smooth.
Lapping the die (cleaning jag with flannel and some polishing compound) with a cordless drill ensure the finish of the die to be the smoothest possible.
Thus less effort to resize and longer life on the dies and brass.

The same goes with every new gun I got, instead of "breaking in" the barrel, I lap them..

_________________
A straight line is the shortest distance between two points.
A smile is the shortest distance between two people.

Do - Not try!


gelandangan.weebly.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I started with 100 rounds of brand new Remington brass. With the new brass, the last .25 inch of ram travel (up stroke) is difficult, and the press handle requires a good tug to break the case free to begin the down stroke of the ram. I have never experienced anything like that with any other dies. It was slightly annoying, but I could live with it. Then I went to resize once fired brass from my rifle, and it was unbelievable the amount of force required. It is difficult for the last .5 inch of ram travel. I actually grab the top of the die sticking out of the press to brace the press to keep from ripping it out of bench as I work the handle. I adjusted the die so that the handle ever so slightly cammed over, barely perceptible. When I have a fired piece of brass in the die, there is approximately 1/16th inch gap between the shell holder and die. The press is actually springing. Yet, it is not because of die contact with shoulder of case, because it is not even resizing the full length of neck. The neck right in front of the shoulder of case is not resized, approximately the same 1/16th inch of the gap between shell holder and die. I think that it must be because the dies are rough inside, not polished like they should be.
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15704
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

Roklok old mate....as I mentioned earlier....check the specs of your rifle chamber.

As wncchester and Gelan also said...there is an upper and lower limit to tolerances and if you have a chamber at one extreme and a set of dies at the other...well I think the result is pretty obvious to you.

Polish the dies up mate, experiment with different lubes... then weld ya press to the bench and dynabolt the bench to tha floor...should all hold together for ya mate. Laughing (Sorry mate...couldn't resist it Razz ).

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
fnuser
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 914
Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

The fact that his factory unfired brass is threatening to stick, is an indicator of
1. Lube ?
2. Unpolished Die.?
3. both 1. and 2.?
You never did say what type of lube ya got. Do you have access to try some imperial? fingering some just ahead of the base would probably cure it in combo with flitz or simichrome lapping. If your chambers saami. Is this brass nickel plated?

_________________
N.R.A. Endowment Member
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Arron
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 352
Location: Cen.Iowa, by way of SWIowa

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

Another thought is maybe the die is set to low. But as an experienced reloader I would inagine you to be aware of this problem. I basically use opnly use Hornady dies and I LOVE them!!! The rest are well made and I do have other makers die sets but Hornady is my personal preference, and the fact that the Customer Service has been very easy to deal with when I have encountered a problem as well as being about three hours from my home. I consider them to be "local" and I like to stay local if I can.

When I am sizing brass I set the die to where the resize mark starts to touch the point where the shoulder and neck come together just at the point of "cam over" on the ram arm and go no further. So far this has worked for me pretty well. But I also have to trim the brass to a uniform length or else I will crush cases. I sometimes have to do this with new brass, but I am doing this for "my" firearms only.

If you are still having trouble give Hornady a call on the toll free number. Listen to the really good AUDIX message and laugh and then punch in the right numb er and you will most likely get a real person to talk at about your problem adn they will direct you further. Good Luck!!!!

_________________
What do I know: I am just a line animal.
Back to top
View user's profile
roklok
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 608
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

I use RCBS case lube on a pad, have reloaded thousands of rounds in 8 different rifle calibers without a problem using RCBS dies and this lube. The brass is not nickle plated, and yes, it is sticking even before being fired in my rifle. Thanks for all the input, but I have pretty much decided to send the Hornady dies back and order RCBS dies.
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: HORNADY New Dimension Dies Reply with quote

Hornady is one of those few companies who will let you speak to someone that truly knows what their doing and resolve your issues, sorry to hear you won’t be giving them a second chance!!!

Please be sure to give us an update after you receive your new dies.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.